Muslims Demand Prayer Breaks, Company Has 3 Word Response

[psyquest]

Two ways to approach this:

If your religion does not allow you to work somewhere because of X: dont work there. Otherwise accept the rules.

Well you want breaks for prayers: no problem, since your prayers take 20 minutes, we will ask you to work an extra 2 hours a day for the same pay to take into account those 3 or 4 extra breaks ? negotiate ;-)

[Flarelaine]

Then maybe you should speak to your employer about that or pick up smoking.

Its thier choise to give people that time, not anything they have to.

Oh, I've tried talking to my boss, though it was more about moving the designated smoking spot from my window. Other than that there's not much to do, people consider smoking (and consequently smoking breaks) a basic right around here. And when it's a fact of life that people get breaks from work, they may as well spend those breaks praying, it's just the same to me. (Though I draw the line at installing a minaret with a muezzin.)

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

If you are made to do something that goes against your religion that is discrimination against that religion as it goes against your right to practice your religion. The problem here is how much leeway someone should have because of their religion in the work place.

That's been determined

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination based on religion. This includes refusing to accommodate an employee's sincerely held religious beliefs or practices unless the accommodation would impose an undue hardship (more than a minimal burden on operation of the business).

If accommodating the employee will cause the business to suffer...then the employer has sufficient reason to refuse said accommodation.

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That's been determined



If accommodating the employee will cause the business to suffer...then the employer has sufficient reason to refuse said accommodation.

I know, but that is just a fancy wording to say "its up to the owners of the store". As you can pretty much attribute a loss to any form of religion in the work place. Sure, they can't say much about praying during breaks, but on the other hand, if it bothers other employees, what then? They have just as much right to be free of that religion as the other person has to have that religion.

What it comes down to is that it is up to the employer if they want any kind of religious practices in their business.

[Surfd]

Smokers get 80 minutes for smoking in an 8-hour day where I work. I suppose 5 prayers breaks could even be shorter than that.

Wait, what? No, seriously, what? 80 minutes? An hour and 20 minutes just to smoke? That can't be right? A standard lunch break for an 8 hour shift is usually 30 minutes, 45 if your employer is feeling REALLY generous. How the hell does anybody justify 80 just because someone needs to light up a coffin nail? Do the non smokers in your company get any kind of similar benefit, or do they get the shaft just because?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I know, but that is just a fancy wording to say "its up to the owners of the store". As you can pretty much attribute a loss to any form of religion in the work place. Sure, they can't say much about praying during breaks, but on the other hand, if it bothers other employees, what then? They have just as much right to be free of that religion as the other person has to have that religion.

What it comes down to is that it is up to the employer if they want any kind of religious practices in their business.

Not really. Employees can and have sued employers that refused to make accommodations for them.

[HumbleDuck]

If you are made to do something that goes against your religion that is discrimination against that religion as it goes against your right to practice your religion. The problem here is how much leeway someone should have because of their religion in the work place.

It's not discrimination as they are not forced to be work in those specific jobs.
My example of discrimination was instances like gassing the Jews or the genocide in Armenia.

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It's not discrimination as they are not forced to be work in those specific jobs.
My example of discrimination was instances like gassing the Jews or the genocide in Armenia.

I would call those things genocide, but okay, at least we are clear at what we mean ;P

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Not really. Employees can and have sued employers that refused to make accommodations for them.

Then im guessing they had some shitty lawyers.

[Eazy]

I believe in the Zeus, and he told me through my mind that I have to pray 3 hours a day IN MY JOB. Better listen to me, or I'll sue you all on the high positions for discrimination/racism!



It's ridiculous, they're employees - so that means they're not making rules of the company, the people who made it/build it make them. |
Obey the rules or find another job. Simple as that.

[Flarelaine]

Wait, what? No, seriously, what? 80 minutes? An hour and 20 minutes just to smoke? That can't be right? A standard lunch break for an 8 hour shift is usually 30 minutes, 45 if your employer is feeling REALLY generous. How the hell does anybody justify 80 just because someone needs to light up a coffin nail? Do the non smokers in your company get any kind of similar benefit, or do they get the shaft just because?

That's just how it works. And designating smoking times is actually in protection of us non-smokers.

Most people around here (office work in land registry) would be entitled to 10 minutes every hour anyway on account of working with computers. They spend it smoking. I'm sure it would never fly in assembly-line work, but here they have their own deadlines anyhow.

[Mormolyce]

Over 200 Muslim employees at a meat-packaging plant in Colorado walked out of their jobs to protest. The Muslims demanded to have dedicated breaks to prayer. The company refused and told the protesters “you’re all fired.” (via Denver Post)

I looked up the Denver Post article on this. It does not say "you're all fired" anywhere, so the thread title and your "newschicken" (lol) article is just sensationalist clickbait.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/04...or-department/

TLDR: worker dispute of the kind that's common in the US. Will probably wind up in court.

[Kalis]

No the first time employees ask for something and get fired for it. Except this is just a hate article so you're a pile of shit

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Nah it's relevant, it's a hate article so the date doesn't really mater.

What the fuck is a 'hate article'? It reports on a news story, is the news hate?

[PL-Cibo]

This fake news shit makes me laugh. People use it to when they disagree with anything.

no i name it Fake because thats what it is. A little research shows that this hasn't happened. Instead a story from 2015 was taken and some spicy words where inserted to trigger racists.
I do not disagree with the website or the topic poster. I don't care what happens in USAs backwater countries. I point out that he (and you) are being duped or trying to dupe people.

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There was no racism in that post from Tommi. Don't make me post a picture of the ginger jihadi again.

not in his post, but in the linked article and in the caption.

[Trassk]

I believe in the Zeus, and he told me through my mind that I have to pray 3 hours a day IN MY JOB. Better listen to me, or I'll sue you all on the high positions for discrimination/racism!



It's ridiculous, they're employees - so that means they're not making rules of the company, the people who made it/build it make them. |
Obey the rules or find another job. Simple as that.

This ^

So these people want to pray, fine, pray at home, pray in your free time. I like to bake, watch movies, watch porn and jerk off, if I asked my employer that I want to do that while working, i would expect to be fired.

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Well these are probably the only folks they can get to work in a place like this.

It's funny how the right are against immigrants but they refuse the change their lifestyle to not need them.

It's funny how only the right are expected to change. :^)

On topic, I'm fairly sure we had a thread about this some months ago.

[Deleted]

If your religion stops you from doing your job, find another job, or stop being religious.

[Faloestin]

Asking for a specific day off every week != demanding extra breaks every single day.

I don't get the emphasis - what do you think the difference is between asking and demanding in an employment context? Do you think that if you ask nicely, Cargill is likely to consider your request more favorably? Cargill's going to make the decision they make based on their bottom line, and precious little else. They might try to put a friendly wrapper on it, and might use other criteria if the question doesn't have any impact on the bottom line, but that's it.

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I agree - fire the shits!

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had a muslim female who got a job in a supermarket as a cashier - then demanded something and refused to TOUCH a customers pork joint and bottle of wine... my response was well, you asked for the job u got - suck it up - on and you are only touching the damn packaging,

if you dont like it, fuck off, dont try and sue em

[kasuke06]

I don't get the emphasis - what do you think the difference is between asking and demanding in an employment context? Do you think that if you ask nicely, Cargill is likely to consider your request more favorably? Cargill's going to make the decision they make based on their bottom line, and precious little else. They might try to put a friendly wrapper on it, and might use other criteria if the question doesn't have any impact on the bottom line, but that's it.

Asking impliees you have respect for the company. "Hey, my religion says I am not supposed to work on X day, and I personally believe in upholding that specific tennet" sounds a lot better than "You already gave us a prayer room, and we now want an extra 5 paid breaks a day."

[Mistame]

No one, including employers, should have to offer concessions for any religion. That defies the very nature of rights, as they're supposed to stop at the rights of others. I shouldn't have to hear your church bells, your prayer calls, etc. And as a co-worker, I sure as hell shouldn't have to compensate so you can take time to "pray". Religion is and should remain a private matter. Keep it in your home, your place of worship or your mind. No one else cares, nor should they have to.

If you are made to do something that goes against your religion that is discrimination against that religion as it goes against your right to practice your religion. The problem here is how much leeway someone should have because of their religion in the work place.

"Discrimination" refers specifically to exclusion based on protected status. In this case, you'd have to demonstrate that people of other religions, etc, are allotted time for their practices and that Muslims were refused similar time for it to be discrimination. A company refusing to make concessions outside of existing policy for "prayer time" for any religion is not discrimination.