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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by lukazhuja19 View Post
    I mean do we really know this is true?

    The problem is we know really nothing about what Sargeras' plan is after conquering is complete. Also couldn't Sargeras as Titan somehow help life grow afterwards?
    Maybe he's keeping Naruu imprisoned just for that purpose or something?

    Chronicle really made his plan sound dumb but I hope there's more reason here than what the book said and he's not just "Mad Titan" but is following his vision of saving the universe in his own twisted way.
    Sargeras' plan is dumb as fuck though. Even if he wipes out everything and life eventually comes back in the universe there is nothing stopping the Void Lords from spewing out Old gods all over the place again. His plan doesn't involve dealing with the void lords directly.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Tripzzz View Post
    Sargeras' plan is dumb as fuck though. Even if he wipes out everything and life eventually comes back in the universe there is nothing stopping the Void Lords from spewing out Old gods all over the place again. His plan doesn't involve dealing with the void lords directly.
    Yea villains aren't getting enough love. With all this hero glorifying in Legion they forgot to give villains compelling motives and proper screen time.
    They did it right with Gul'dan but now that he's gone it kinda left a hole.
    I woud really like if we get for example Kil'Jaeden PoV novel or something similar.

    Story is just not as good when no compelling villain, that's why I try to present them a little more complex and grey than they appear to be.
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  3. #23
    Sargeras wants to eliminate all life in the universe to stop the void lords from spreading their influence and taking over potential world souls. Once everything is dead, he will use his legion to fight the void lords and defeat them. Once that's done, he will kill/imprison the demons and hope that life will flourish again on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    Once everything is dead, he will use his legion to fight the void lords and defeat them.
    This isn't stated anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    This isn't stated anywhere.
    there's no need to explicitly state that since it's what's clearly implied

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    there's no need to explicitly state that since it's what's clearly implied
    Where is it even implied? Nothing in Sargeras' plan remotely hints at him doing anything about the void lords themselves. If he were, he would just do that instead of scouring the universe of all life. That's what the Pantheon wanted to do, to actually defeat the void lords once and for all (with Azeroth). And he killed them over it.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Where is it even implied? Nothing in Sargeras' plan remotely hints at him doing anything about the void lords themselves. If he were, he would just do that instead of scouring the universe of all life. That's what the Pantheon wanted to do, to actually defeat the void lords once and for all (with Azeroth).
    I feel like the problem is we're not sure how much time does it take for Azeroth to mature. Maybe Sargeras didn't want to gamble that time for Azeroth to reach maturity is lesser than time in which Old Gods would corrupt world soul somewhere in the universe. Latter even sounds more likely purely by mathematical point of view.

    You're saying it like titans had it all figured out but in chronicle they were hoping Azeroth would be strong enough to MAYBE help them defeat void lords.
    Also the fact is only Aggramar and Sargeras saw world soul corruption first hand. Titans were operating in the dark on stories they heard from the other two.

    I think it's not that simple as Sargeras is wrong, Titans are right. It's just that Titans' way is more convinient for us - Azerothians.
    I think Titan' plan is probably more risky than Sargeras' and he didn't want to take that gamble or something.
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Where is it even implied? Nothing in Sargeras' plan remotely hints at him doing anything about the void lords themselves. If he were, he would just do that instead of scouring the universe of all life. That's what the Pantheon wanted to do, to actually defeat the void lords once and for all (with Azeroth). And he killed them over it.
    Sargeras rebellion is to defeat the void lords, thats stated. His plan to create and lead the burning legion is part of his plan to defeat the void lords. It's doesn't make any sense logically to kill all life and assume he won't use the army to defeat the void lords. Yea he's going to sit there kill/imprison the legion after everything is dead and let life spring up and form the legion again and kill life again to continually deprive world souls from forming? doesn't even make sense. Everything points to him defeating the void lords. The immediate goal is deny world souls. Then defeat the void lords. he's not strong enough to do it by himself which is stated, he needs a legion to defeat the void lords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    Sargeras rebellion is to defeat the void lords, thats stated.
    Now it's stated? You said it didn't need to be stated and that it was merely implied.

    The Burning Legion is the single most destructive force within the Great Dark Beyond. The fallen titan Sargeras created this vast demonic army to scour all creation.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 13
    Nope. Nothing about addressing the void lords themselves.

    Sargeras expressed his growing fear that existence itself was already flawed—an idea that he had come to terms with following his encounter with the Old Gods. Only by burning away all of creation could the titans stand a chance of thwarting the void lords' ultimate goal. In Sargeras's mind, even a lifeless universe was better than one dominated by the Void.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 24
    Hmm... still nothing about dealing with the void lords themselves, only stopping their objectives in the physical universe.

    His fear that the void lords had already corrupted other world-souls consumed him. As doubt and despair continued twisting the titan's every thought, he became more certain than ever that creation itself was fatally flawed. Finally, he concluded that the only way to spare the universe was to purge it in fire. Thus his grand Burning Crusade would begin.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 48
    Still nothing about dealing with the void lords, just purging the physical universe.

    Yet despite these horrific physical changes, Sargeras's mind remained locked on his one all-consuming purpose. To prevent the void lords from possessing creation, life itself had to be extinguished.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 49
    Again, Sargeras' goal is not to fight the void lords, but to deny them a verdant universe.

    Aggramar was stunned. He demanded an explanation from Sargeras. The former champion offered none, only declaring that his Burning Crusade was the sole means to purify the universe.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 49
    Sargeras even explicitly declares that his plan is just purging the universe. Makes no mention of defeating the void lords themselves.
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  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Now it's stated? You said it didn't need to be stated and that it was merely implied.

    The Burning Legion is the single most destructive force within the Great Dark Beyond. The fallen titan Sargeras created this vast demonic army to scour all creation.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 13
    Nope. Nothing about addressing the void lords themselves.

    Sargeras expressed his growing fear that existence itself was already flawed—an idea that he had come to terms with following his encounter with the Old Gods. Only by burning away all of creation could the titans stand a chance of thwarting the void lords' ultimate goal. In Sargeras's mind, even a lifeless universe was better than one dominated by the Void.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 24
    Hmm... still nothing about dealing with the void lords themselves, only stopping their objectives in the physical universe.

    His fear that the void lords had already corrupted other world-souls consumed him. As doubt and despair continued twisting the titan's every thought, he became more certain than ever that creation itself was fatally flawed. Finally, he concluded that the only way to spare the universe was to purge it in fire. Thus his grand Burning Crusade would begin.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 48
    Still nothing about dealing with the void lords, just purging the physical universe.

    Yet despite these horrific physical changes, Sargeras's mind remained locked on his one all-consuming purpose. To prevent the void lords from possessing creation, life itself had to be extinguished.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 49
    Again, Sargeras' goal is not to fight the void lords, but to deny them a verdant universe.

    Aggramar was stunned. He demanded an explanation from Sargeras. The former champion offered none, only declaring that his Burning Crusade was the sole means to purify the universe.
    --Chronicle V1, pg. 49
    Sargeras even explicitly declares that his plan is just purging the universe. Makes no mention of defeating the void lords themselves.
    There's not a single quote that contradicts what i'm saying. It actually reinforces what i'm telling you.

    Let's simplify this.

    Sargeras initial mission was to fight the demons, beat them, jail them etc.

    He comes to the realization that the void lords are the real threat.

    He goes back and forth with the patheon and grows tired of their view point and seeks his own path.

    He creates the burning legion & eliminates the patheon.

    He knows that the void lords are the real threat at that if they mange to corrupt a world soul they would be unstoppable.

    He seeks to destroy all life and destroy all worlds to prevent the void lords from potentially corrupting even a single world soul.

    He does not worry about life being extinguished because he believes that if life came about before so can it again after everything is wiped out.

    He will not let the universe reset itself and begin anew the same problem. In the end it is Implied that he will use the burning legion to defeat the void lords (once he's done objective A (destroy all life and stop the void lords from corrupting a world soul).) Once he defeats the void lords, he's going disband, jail kill the legion.

    We don't need the author to explicitly state every little detail, authors allow the reader to draw conclusions from what's clearly shown in the source material. This isn't new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    Sargeras initial mission was to fight the demons, beat them, jail them etc.

    He comes to the realization that the void lords are the real threat.

    He goes back and forth with the patheon and grows tired of their view point and seeks his own path.

    He creates the burning legion & eliminates the patheon.

    He knows that the void lords are the real threat at that if they mange to corrupt a world soul they would be unstoppable.

    He seeks to destroy all life and destroy all worlds to prevent the void lords from potentially corrupting even a single world soul.

    He does not worry about life being extinguished because he believes that if life came about before so can it again after everything is wiped out.
    Yes, all of this is stated in the material.

    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    He will not let the universe reset itself and begin anew the same problem. In the end it is Implied that he will use the burning legion to defeat the void lords (once he's done objective A (destroy all life and stop the void lords from corrupting a world soul).) Once he defeats the void lords, he's going disband, jail kill the legion.
    This is your speculation. It is not stated anywhere or even hinted.

    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    We don't need the author to explicitly state every little detail, authors allow the reader to draw conclusions from what's clearly shown in the source material. This isn't new.
    Everything else about Sargeras' goals and how he developed them are explicitly stated. Nowhere does he even entertain the idea of confronting the void lords directly. What you describe is headcanon or fanon.
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  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Yes, all of this is stated in the material.


    This is your speculation. It is not stated anywhere or even hinted.


    Everything else about Sargeras' goals and how he developed them are explicitly stated. Nowhere does he even entertain the idea of confronting the void lords directly. What you describe is headcanon or fanon.
    The idea is to defeat the void lords, that's his goal, sitting there and letting life grow and allowing the cycle to repeat is the speculation you're making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    The idea is to defeat the void lords, that's his goal, sitting there and letting life grow and allowing the cycle to repeat is the speculation you're making.
    Nowhere is it stated Sargeras considered defeating the void lords themselves. Everything about his motivation and plans is about scouring life from the universe so there's nothing for the void lords to consume. It's a scorched-earth policy.

    There is a clear contrast depicted between the Pantheon's approach and Sargeras'. Sargeras wants to burn everything so the void lords can't claim any part of the universe. The Pantheon want to defeat the void lords once and for all. It's stated several times that the Pantheon wants to defeat the void lords. Never for Sargeras.
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2017-06-08 at 02:05 AM.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Nowhere is it stated Sargeras considered defeating the void lords themselves. Everything about his motivation and plans is about scouring life from the universe so there's nothing for the void lords to consume. It's a scorched-earth policy.
    That's the issue, the author doesn't have to make a press release to show what's already in plain sight in the text. Yes part of his plan is scorched-earth policy. The ends is not the means. Scorched-earth policy is a means. Defeating the void lords is the end goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyhil622 View Post
    That's the issue, the author doesn't have to make a press release to show what's already in plain sight in the text. Yes part of his plan is scorched-earth policy. The ends is not the means. Scorched-earth policy is a means. Defeating the void lords is the end goal.
    Funny how it's stated more than once that the Pantheon's goal was to defeat the void lords "once and for all". But never with Sargeras. Everywhere it's mentioned, the material only indicates that Sargeras' plan only extends to scorched-earth policy. Sargeras Burning Crusade is literally only that. And that's repeated several times.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Funny how it's stated more than once that the Pantheon's goal was to defeat the void lords "once and for all". But never with Sargeras. Everywhere it's mentioned, the material only indicates that Sargeras' plan only extends to scorched-earth policy. Sargeras Burning Crusade is literally only that. And that's repeated several times.
    True, it is stated several times, but their method was flawed and ultimately failed when they tried to defeat Sargeras himself. I guess their goal can still come to pass with Azeroth's heroes.

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