Just do it babe’:The harrowing messages the accused sent her boyfriend before suicide

[Nihilist74]

Seems like she should be charged for not contacting the police when she was aware he was making the suicide attempt. Maybe its like soliciting a crime that she encouraged him to follow through with committing suicide. I would not say it was manslaughter or murder.

I do feel that suicide should be an individuals right and it sounds like it is in there state. Her encouraging him to do it may be a terrible thing but it doesn't sound like she broke the law.

[AeneasBK]

Where's the proof of this?

That depending on your perspective, convincing someone to commit suicide is doing them a favour. Note: That perspective is "messed up", see the other post.

[Celista]

Considering that she kept pushing him to do it, her actions could be considered indicative of malice. If I remember the details of the case from other articles, she tried playing the victim on social media after his death, which makes me think she was motivated by attention/pity from others. She probably meets the diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder, would be interesting to see her case history.

[Fincayra]

So when does personal responsibility enter into this thread? People on these forums argue night and day about people taking responsibility for their own actions, yet you're crucifying this girl for suggesting it. He ultimately is the one who went through with the act. She didn't kill him. He killed himself.

[Khaza-R]

Which has fuck all to do with whether it's malicious or not.

Deliberate intent to unlawfully take the life of another person is the literal legal definition of malice but okay.

[Crissi]

So when does personal responsibility enter into this thread? People on these forums argue night and day about people taking responsibility for their own actions, yet you're crucifying this girl for suggesting it. He ultimately is the one who went through with the act. She didn't kill him. He killed himself.

Suicidal people aren't rational. Expecting rational decisions from them is like expecting an insane person to start being sane without help.

When you're in a suicidal mindset, you are exceptionally vulnerable to peer pressure and suggestions.

[Noomz]

Hard to say... I don't really condemn the act of suicide. Each persons life is their own to do with as they please so long as it doesn't harm another. Driving someone to it though is another thing entirely.

I think I would need to see evidence of the victims mental state for a few months prior and review everything to form my opinion on it.

No, you're not allowed to kill yourself and leave everyone else to suffer as a result of it. It might be your life, but you share it with other people and other people are the ones left to clean up the mess you leave behind, not to mention taking care of your body after you've killed yourself in whatever gruesome manner that might be.
If we believe in the dignity and value of life, it must also be maintained that we have a collective responsability about it. Assisted suicide is a different matter, where is a LOT of legal mumbojumbo involved where it's actually allowed to make it even remotely acceptable.

That said, what this woman has done is damning. Involountary manslaughter seems fair, considering that she encouraged his suicide rather than try and do something to get him help. She's seems a complete cunt and should suffer the consequences of her actions and inaction.

[Fincayra]

Suicidal people aren't rational. Expecting rational decisions from them is like expecting an insane person to start being sane without help.

When you're in a suicidal mindset, you are exceptionally vulnerable to peer pressure and suggestions.

I'd argue people in general aren't rational. We just elected Trump, after all. But, looking at the alternative, maybe it was the rational choice. It was worth it for all the trolling going on anymore of the left.

Anyway. Adults do stupid shit. We have websites devoted to it, and we celebrate it. Men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women are. Maybe this is the reason. And, maybe this girl figured he wasn't curable and was doing what she thought would help him. One irrational person is easily found by other irrational people. I'd like to hear more about why she did it than just charge her with manslaughter and be done with it. That's what a trial is for, at any rate.

[Khaza-R]

So when does personal responsibility enter into this thread? People on these forums argue night and day about people taking responsibility for their own actions, yet you're crucifying this girl for suggesting it. He ultimately is the one who went through with the act. She didn't kill him. He killed himself.

You might have a point if he was adamant about doing it. And even so we're taking about a mentally ill person with level of finished capacity. However in this case she literally told him to re-enter his car and take his life after he displayed his uncertainty. She literally goes as far as to say she could have stopped him or called the police but didn't. Where is her personal responsibility?

[Deleted]

Which is precisely why this isn't a conversation worth having with any of you.

Yeah... I don't know what you were thinking, but I made a statement. I wasn't conversing with you. This isn't a conversation either. Just another statement.

[Fincayra]

No, you're not allowed to kill yourself and leave everyone else to suffer as a result of it. It might be your life, but you share it with other people and other people are the ones left to clean up the mess you leave behind, not to mention taking care of your body after you've killed yourself in whatever gruesome manner that might be.
If we believe in the dignity and value of life, it must also be maintained that we have a collective responsability about it. Assisted suicide is a different matter, where is a LOT of legal mumbojumbo involved where it's actually allowed to make it even remotely acceptable.

That said, what this woman has done is damning. Involountary manslaughter seems fair, considering that she encouraged his suicide rather than try and do something to get him help. She's seems a complete cunt and should suffer the consequences of her actions and inaction.

The last thing we value as a species is the sanctity of life. We kill each other over paper, material things, and immaterial things. And, we feel good about doing it. Just yesterday a kid was killed in Kansas City for trying to sell his shoes on Craigslist. The buyer shot and killed him and took his shoes. Kid lost his life over foot coverings.

We like to think we value life, but we don't, at all. We have people saying health care is a privilege of people with money. We have people saying a base income for people would just be handouts. We ridicule the poor on a daily basis. We turn our nose up at homeless people. And, then we call them greedy when they ask for help. We look down on intelligence.

It's a wonder more people aren't killing themselves to escape this piece of shit planet.

[Khaza-R]

Here's some photos of her social media for those who want to defend this individual

[Crissi]

I'd argue people in general aren't rational. We just elected Trump, after all. But, looking at the alternative, maybe it was the rational choice. It was worth it for all the trolling going on anymore of the left.

Anyway. Adults do stupid shit. We have websites devoted to it, and we celebrate it. Men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women are. Maybe this is the reason. And, maybe this girl figured he wasn't curable and was doing what she thought would help him. One irrational person is easily found by other irrational people. I'd like to hear more about why she did it than just charge her with manslaughter and be done with it. That's what a trial is for, at any rate.

Well, if the why she did it I've been hearing is in anyway true, she did indeed encourage it for her own gain. Id classify that as ill intent, since it clearly wasnt for his benefit at that point.

[Noomz]

So when does personal responsibility enter into this thread? People on these forums argue night and day about people taking responsibility for their own actions, yet you're crucifying this girl for suggesting it. He ultimately is the one who went through with the act. She didn't kill him. He killed himself.

Then you don't understand the mental state in which a suicidal person is in. They are not, as they say in the movies, of sound body and mind. Their actions are illogical and unreasonable, unable to think clearly. This is why many times when suicidal people are treated, they lose self-autonomy because they can't be trusted with it.
I've never been suicidal myself, but I've suffered through some deep depression and extreme anxiety issues. I can tell you that in such a state of mind, you are not yourself. And when I recover from the worst of it, parts of all of these situations are hard to remember or are completely forgotten. You might find that if you ask around, people who've suffered extreme mental health issues often only have partial memory of such events or don't remember them at all.

Depression is a scale and at the bottom of that scale, it's unimaginably dark, a void of despair that you cannot imagine. A void your mind even tries to not remember. It's not that you're just a "little sad", like the normal people use the word when they complain about how depressed they felt yesterday because they dropped their latte.

[Dr Assbandit]

He committed suicide. She literally can't have taken his life, so unless her plans included homicide, your own definition doesn't support you.

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It's literally a conversation.

How would you define taking advantage of someone's lowered or impaired mental state to indirectly cause them harm?

[Dawnrage]

Here comes Nixx with his Holier Than Thou attitude. "None of you are worth having a conversation with! ...except here I am having that conversation anyway."

Yeah normal sane people encourage others to suicide all the time but it's ok if it's not malicious though (sarcasm by the way, since I feel on these forums things like that don't get through easily when it's obvious). Maybe she really thought death was a great thing for him since he would finally be at peace huh? Good thing she was appointed Grim Reaper to make sure she can see who deserves to live and die, while she herself is living still.

The guy is at fault for his death, not her; however, she's very damn well guilty for playing a part in it. You don't convince someone with mental issues to do things like that, they are easily impressionable - especially if it's coming from someone who he cares about a lot most likely.

[Noomz]

The last thing we value as a species is the sanctity of life. We kill each other over paper, material things, and immaterial things. And, we feel good about doing it. Just yesterday a kid was killed in Kansas City for trying to sell his shoes on Craigslist. The buyer shot and killed him and took his shoes. Kid lost his life over foot coverings.

We like to think we value life, but we don't, at all. We have people saying health care is a privilege of people with money. We have people saying a base income for people would just be handouts. We ridicule the poor on a daily basis. We turn our nose up at homeless people. And, then we call them greedy when they ask for help. We look down on intelligence.

It's a wonder more people aren't killing themselves to escape this piece of shit planet.

And yet we must try and uphold such values or we are lost. Life is a struggle. It's not black and white. But we still must always strive to uphold altruistic ideals or we could just as well kill all of us.
A lot of people don't understand that. They forget or never learn the value of life or to give respect to others. That's not a reason to just drop such values, because that'll just make shit worse.

[Ealyssa]

“I helped ease him into it and told him it was okay . . . I could’ve easily stopped him or called the police but I didn’t,”

She's 100% crazy, lock her somewhere.

[Fincayra]

Then you don't understand the mental state in which a suicidal person is in. They are not, as they say in the movies, of sound body and mind. Their actions are illogical and unreasonable, unable to think clearly. This is why many times when suicidal people are treated, they lose self-autonomy because they can't be trusted with it.
I've never been suicidal myself, but I've suffered through some deep depression and extreme anxiety issues. I can tell you that in such a state of mind, you are not yourself. And when I recover from the worst of it, parts of all of these situations are hard to remember or are completely forgotten. You might find that if you ask around, people who've suffered extreme mental health issues often only have partial memory of such events or don't remember them at all.

Depression is a scale and at the bottom of that scale, it's unimaginably dark, a void of despair that you cannot imagine. A void your mind even tries to not remember. It's not that you're just a "little sad", like the normal people use the word when they complain about how depressed they felt yesterday because they dropped their latte.

*remembers his stomach pumped from the bottle of hydrocodine he took in high school.

I understand the mental state of a suicidal person all to well, my friend. I know the smallest thing can make you do it, or not do it. And that wasn't my only self destructive thing. I still to this day cut myself. I stuck an inch long hobby knife into my stomach up to the hilt the other day, just to see if I could do it all the way in. I'm well aware how fucked up a mental state someone can be in. But, I'm coherent enough to realize I AM THE ONE DOING IT. No one else is holding a knife to my skin and pulling it across. It's me. My decision to ultimately do it. Yes, this girl was in the wrong BIG TIME for what she did, but he's the one who ultimately ended his life.

[Noomz]

Here comes Nixx with his Holier Than Thou attitude. "None of you are worth having a conversation with! ...except here I am having that conversation anyway."

Yeah normal sane people encourage others to suicide all the time but it's ok if it's not malicious though. Maybe she really thought death was a great thing for him since he would finally be at peace huh? Good thing she was appointed Grim Reaper to make sure she can see who deserves to live and die, while she herself is living still.

It's the normal behavior of youngsters who think they know everything. Or adults who've never learned empathy and solidarity. And edgelord tough-guys who talk a lot of shit on the internet but are complete whimps when faced with reality.