Parents mourn the loss of their teenage daughter hours after they gave her boyfriend

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Strange that he is not being charged with anything. Even if it was an accident.

I'm also curious if he had a license to carry, or own a gun. And also, if the gun was registered to his name.

If those two things are not in place, and he killed someone, he should definitely be charged.

American justice for you, that would be on the parents to press charges.

Here? Even if the firearm was legal, he would still be sentanced for manslaughter.

There is no "accidental" killing of another person, his carelessness got her killed.

[Surfd]

- Strict gun laws are only going to punish law abiding citizens, criminals will still carry guns and commit gun related crimes, only there would be no one able to defend themselves against those criminals.

Anything else you're not understanding? I hope not because I ran out of crayons.

Hate to point this out to you, but 99.9% of the time a gun is not going to protect a "law abiding citizen" from a criminal with a gun anyway. Despite what your rambo movie, heroic ego trip fantasy delusions might have you believe, if the criminal with the gun actually intends to use it, you are as good as dead.

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300 years ago almost all of Europe was in serfdom and slaves to wealthy land owners ...The brave men and women who sailed to America for a better life would not have that happen again . Europe is on it's way back to that and you have nothing to stop them from doing it again especially importing people who on't give a shit about European ideology by the 100's of thousands

Says the person who lives in a country where ISP providers literally divided the market like a cake between themselves.... (Y) Keep living in your paranoid bubble, then again I've seen american news, you guys got some grade A fearmongering in media.

Oh wait, you mean the brave men and women who completely butchered the native population and then shipped over slaves from Africa to do their labor for them? Yes, such a land of the brave and the free indeed. Think before you type.

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- Wasn't the guns fault.
- Strict gun laws are only going to punish law abiding citizens, criminals will still carry guns and commit gun related crimes, only there would be no one able to defend themselves against those criminals.

Anything else you're not understanding? I hope not because I ran out of crayons.

Terribly tragic what happened here, but it was an accident. Sure, those parents will never forgive themselves for it, but again, not the guns fault. Why was the gun loaded and the safety off? That's the question to ask here.

What? Gun related crimes and accidents are near unheard of here, due to guns being near completely illegal. USA? seems to be another couple of cases every day.

[Kymei]

Why would you put away a loaded gun?

[Video Games]

Or if they like guns so much stick to games like COD and BF to get their fix.

If they need to get a fix because of gun addiction, I legit think they need help.

[Surfd]

300 years ago almost all of Europe was in serfdom and slaves to wealthy land owners ...The brave men and women who sailed to America for a better life would not have that happen again . Europe is on it's way back to that and you have nothing to stop them from doing it again especially importing people who on't give a shit about European ideology by the 100's of thousands

Looks like someone skipped history class. You do realize that, up until about 90 years ago, the "common" American man was quite literally no better off than those European serfs you are talking about. The middle class effectively did not exist. They were just as much slaves, except that the wealthy land owners were replaced with wealthy business owners, and you did whatever they wanted because you needed a job, or you died. And the people who pull the strings behind the republican government are doing their damnedest to return to the glory days of the age when corporate overlords ruled the unwashed masses with an iron boot on their neck.

[Ghostpanther]

Look at Australia.

You can not compare Australia to America for many reasons. It is a poor comparison by any standard.

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What? Gun related crimes and accidents are near unheard of here, due to guns being near completely illegal. USA? seems to be another couple of cases every day.

Yet strangely, we do not have a issue with very few wanting to immigrate here.

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So, if the courses are expensive, it's better to have cases like this instead?

From a Constitutional reason , yes. Freedoms we have based on our Constitution, are never without costs.

[Surfd]

From a Constitutional reason , yes. Freedoms we have based on our Constitution, are never without costs.

You do realize that the Constitution is literally nothing more than a bunch of Words on an Old Piece of Paper. It is not some magical universal truth etched in stone, or some inviolable holy writ handed down by god. It only has meaning and value if people believe in what is written in it. And oddly enough, your current President doesn't seem to give a rats ass about any part of it that conflicts with his ideas of how the country should be run. If you honestly think that the Constitution will protect you when push comes to shove, just remember, Germany had a constitution before World War II. Didn't seem to stop shit from going sideways for them.

[Flutterguy]

Looks pretty tragic. Clearly the guy fucked up in his handling of the weapon. So what's the discussion here?

You do realize that the Constitution is literally nothing more than a bunch of Words on an Old Piece of Paper. It is not some magical universal truth etched in stone, or some inviolable holy writ handed down by god. It only has meaning and value if people believe in what is written in it. And oddly enough, your current President doesn't seem to give a rats ass about any part of it that conflicts with his ideas of how the country should be run. If you honestly think that the Constitution will protect you when push comes to shove, just remember, Germany had a constitution before World War II. Didn't seem to stop shit from going sideways for them.

So you don't believe human beings have natural rights? Fascinating.

[Azadina]

So you don't believe human beings have natural rights? Fascinating.

Should make this into a movie. You can play the main hero, who is sent back in time into BC times Rome, to campaign for these natural gun rights every human is supposed to have. Would make for a best selling comedy flick.

[Lex Icon]

why on earth would you give your teenage daughter's boyfriend a gun? that's just asking for trouble.

[Ghostpanther]

You do realize that the Constitution is literally nothing more than a bunch of Words on an Old Piece of Paper. It is not some magical universal truth etched in stone, or some inviolable holy writ handed down by god. It only has meaning and value if people believe in what is written in it. And oddly enough, your current President doesn't seem to give a rats ass about any part of it that conflicts with his ideas of how the country should be run. If you honestly think that the Constitution will protect you when push comes to shove, just remember, Germany had a constitution before World War II. Didn't seem to stop shit from going sideways for them.

And you seem to fail to realize it is the foundation corner stone to the USA. The issue with some thinking our President is not honoring it is, many fail to understand the authority the Constitution gives to our President. But then, that is a topic which is not suppose to be debated on this forum. Use the Political forum.

[Easo]

So you don't believe human beings have natural rights? Fascinating.

Not having basic training in gun handling is a natural right?

[Surfd]

So you don't believe human beings have natural rights? Fascinating.

That's not what I said at all, but nice try.

Human beings have rights. The concept of "natural" rights is a fiction. Rights only exist in the framework of society. Either way, the constitution is not a guarantee that those rights society grants you will be protected. The Words on the Paper are only good so long as people believe in what they stand for, and are not guaranteed protection against someone running roughshod over those rights at a later date.

[kail]

So you don't believe human beings have natural rights? Fascinating.

Because they're not? We decided on and created the rights we live with. Our rights have been edited and will continue to be edited as society shifts.

Should make this into a movie. You can play the main hero, who is sent back in time into BC times Rome, to campaign for these natural gun rights every human is supposed to have. Would make for a best selling comedy flick.

God apparently has a thing for guns.

[Surfd]

And you seem to fail to realize it is the foundation corner stone to the USA. The issue with some thinking our President is not honoring it is, many fail to understand the authority the Constitution gives to our President. But then, that is a topic which is not suppose to be debated on this forum. Use the Political forum.

Careful there. The "inviolability of the holy word of the founders" is the cornerstone of pretty much every major religious problem we have in the world today. The Constitution is a guideline, nothing more. The very fact that the constitution is amendable is testament to the fact that nothing it contains is inviolable. The founding fathers intended it to evolve as the country evolves. And at this point, "guns for everybody" is an evolutionary step it could well do without.

[kail]

And you seem to fail to realize it is the foundation corner stone to the USA. The issue with some thinking our President is not honoring it is, many fail to understand the authority the Constitution gives to our President. But then, that is a topic which is not suppose to be debated on this forum. Use the Political forum.

We live by it, but have recognized and corrected errors. The Constitution is fluid and allows society the means to make changes as they see fit. Even if our Constitution protected itself from alterations, nothing would stop the people from undergoing an overhaul if the vast majority desired.

[Stormdash]

Should make this into a movie. You can play the main hero, who is sent back in time into BC times Rome, to campaign for these natural gun rights every human is supposed to have. Would make for a best selling comedy flick.

Pretty sure the concept of "arms" had purchase even upon the Roman empire.

Also, understand that the Constitution is not an exhaustive enumeration of the natural rights of mankind -- the 9th Amendment explicitly acknowledges this is. The Bill of Right's de facto and de jure purpose is to articulate particular rights that the new government could not infringe upon. So the right to self-defense is a natural right, both as an individual and as a function of the civil society; to that end, the Bill of Rights protects particularly the right to keep and bear arms that could facilitate the exercise of that right. The right to one's own mind, own will, own ethos is a natural right of all mankind; to that end, the Bill of Rights prohibits the new government from denying people the right to hold and share it, to assemble and associate with others to share or persuade.

[araine]

this is one reason why giving guns and firearms to people should be illegal really common sense folks no gun no death here

[Taso]

this is one reason why giving guns and firearms to people should be illegal really common sense folks no gun no death here

Not necessarily I take it by case by case basis. Why should I be denied because someone else ruined it. For instance after columbine a lot of people blamed video games for the massacre yet it was obvious that bullying was the culprit plus mental health issues brought by that. Yet the reality was video games had no impact what so ever. So why should be people be punished for their folly and the school's failure to to stop the bullying.