College students furious after they’re tricked into rejecting socialist ideal

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You don't acquire a high gpa on the backs of others. Wealth on the other hand.......

[Sherman001]

You don't acquire a high gpa on the backs of others. Wealth on the other hand.......

So... Kanye West got rich off of the backs of others? Stephen King too?

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So... Kanye West got rich off of the backs of others? Stephen King too?

I'm sure there were some Nazi's who were good people too but that doesn't mean that National Socialism was filled with good men.

[Forogil]

Even if there wasn't a causation relationship. Reducing poverty definitely reduces crime.

You are basically saying that even if doesn't it does - which normally leads to the well-intentioned failures.

And I'm done with your weak semantics argument. It's a sad attempt for you to save face and not admit you're wrong.

Weak semantic arguments? Like stating that communism is normally a subset of socialism (and there isn't just 'a minor overlap') - and equivalence and analogy are not the same - even though one is listed as synonym of the other - since synonym-lists normally lists words that are not full synonyms (like 'house' and 'apartment').

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I don't see a problem with the nationalisation, I see a problem with the government.

The socialist government - praised by socialists internationally when they were driving towards failure.

[Phlegethon]

For illustrating the ignorance of mentally and ethically stunted individuals who operate under the delusion that effort and earnings (unlike grades) are at all connected in the USA?

Ah murricans, stuck in the 50ies and their "socialism is communist"-ways...
The red danger is out there!

It's kinda sad really...

[Sherman001]

You don't acquire a high gpa on the backs of others. Wealth on the other hand.......

So... Kanye West got rich off of the backs of others? Stephen King too?

I'm sure there were some Nazi's who were good people too but that doesn't mean that National Socialism was filled with good men.

Earning millions of dollars is akin to Nazism?

[JohnBrown1917]

This reminds me of something I saw once on a program called "The Man Show." It was a show hosted by Jimmy Kimmel and some other guy. They went to a college campus stating that their cause was to "end women's suffrage." They got hundreds of signatures until a professor pointed out that "suffrage" has nothing to do with "suffering" but rather voting.

That seems something completly different, those students where ignorant on what suffrage is.
In this case? Hell... I have no bloody idea what it is supposed to prove, just seems like a liberal/rigth wing circle jerk.

[Sherman001]

That seems something completly different, those students where ignorant on what suffrage is.
In this case? Hell... I have no bloody idea what it is supposed to prove, just seems like a liberal/rigth wing circle jerk.

I was just thinking of the general idea of college kids being made fools of is all.

[JohnBrown1917]

I was just thinking of the general idea of college kids being made fools of is all.

Well.. sure, but the only fools here are the ones who performed the experiment.

[Sherman001]

Well.. sure, but the only fools here are the ones who performed the experiment.

Yeah, I don't agree with that.

[Deleted]

Earning millions of dollars is akin to Nazism?

I know you liberals love to pretend you don't understand what others mean in order to attempt to ridicule what they say by twisting their words
but since i'm not sure you are intelligent enough i'll explain myself. Just because some people get rich off of their talent alone doesn't mean the majority of rich people got rich the same way. That being said i'm sure both Kayne and King has been involved in some pretty shady business practices and unethical investments.

[Draeth]

This really only demonstrates how fundamentally lacking your understanding of both wealth and education is.

[Mackeyser]

You think that effort is always correlated to grades? There are TONS of socioeconomic factors that could affect how well a student does in school. Does the student have enough to eat? Does he have to work full time to support himself through school? Are they a single mother?

Just look up the most common reasons for dropping out of school. They are ALL economically related.

I don't disagree with any of that.

I merely took issue with the equivalence of money and grades. Grades are not property that can be exchanged, bequeathed or aggregated. They are a measure of knowledge and achievement and OF COURSE there are tons of factors that go into grades.

We don't disagree like you might have been thinking.

[Vorkreist]

This is America's future. The commie/sjw pandemic in this upcoming generation will eventually stumble into more positions of power to enforce their deranged ideologies.
It looks like Russia before Red October.

[Romano]

Earning millions of dollars is akin to Nazism?

He means just because those happened to have jobs that, by theur anture, allowed them to earn millions on their own doesnt mean the rest of rich didnt exploit others.

[Vash The Stampede]

So... Kanye West got rich off of the backs of others? Stephen King too?

Everything is a remix.

[Triks]

You are basically saying that even if doesn't it does - which normally leads to the well-intentioned failures.


Weak semantic arguments? Like stating that communism is normally a subset of socialism (and there isn't just 'a minor overlap') - and equivalence and analogy are not the same - even though one is listed as synonym of the other - since synonym-lists normally lists words that are not full synonyms (like 'house' and 'apartment').

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The socialist government - praised by socialists internationally when they were driving towards failure.

Here's a shocker - even after the drop in oil prices and corruption, Venezuela still has a higher GDP and GDP per capita than capitalist Haiti. Even Castroland - a country under embargo for the last 50 years - has better GDP and GDP per capita than Haiti. Capitalism doesn't work for poor countries because under capitalism, their resources become the property of corporations such as BP and Chevron. To my knowledge no country has ever lifted itself out of poverty with free-market capitalism - they have all used a variation of the Soviet-style planned economy.

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This is America's future. The commie/sjw pandemic in this upcoming generation will eventually stumble into more positions of power to enforce their deranged ideologies.
It looks like Russia before Red October.

Except that Nickolay Romanov was a tyrant who had frequently massacred his own people and killed political adversaries. The Russians were mad at him for a reason but replaced him with more of the same plus industrialisation.

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It might be sad, but unfortunately I'm still right.

Your point is that e.g. thesaurus.com list synonyms, synonyms are the same, and it lists equivalence as a synonym with analogy and therefore they are the same.

The reason you make that absurd argument is that you are unfamiliar with the words. Note that it is not listed as a common synonym, and not as a synonym in the other direction.

But let us look at some words you might know and you will see the absurdity:
house (as human habitat) has common synonyms apartment, building, home, mansion, residence, (digs, flat, joint, pad, rack, roof).
apartment has common synonyms flat, residence, suite - but not house
shoe has common synonyms boot and pump - and uncommon ones loafer, sandals, hightops, etc.

To me it seems clear that those synonym-lists are neither symmetric nor list words that are exactly the same - or in other words analogy and equivalence are as similar/different as house and apartment.

BTW: socialism lists communism as a common synonym and vice versa...

Takes 3 seconds to Google it:

socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

communism - a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

In other words - socialism permits private property outside of the economy aka having a house and a car, communism doesn't. By that alone they cannot be synonyms.

[Forogil]

Here's a shocker - even after the drop in oil prices and corruption, Venezuela still has a higher GDP and GDP per capita than capitalist Haiti. Even Castroland - a country under embargo for the last 50 years - has better GDP and GDP per capita than Haiti.

What makes Haiti - recently ruled by a confiscating dictator and then a mix including social democrats - a good example of capitalism?

Capitalism doesn't work for poor countries because under capitalism, their resources become the property of corporations such as BP and Chevron. To my knowledge no country has ever lifted itself out of poverty with free-market capitalism - they have all used a variation of the Soviet-style planned economy.

Are you familiar with the US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, western Europe?

Yes, there has been government interventions - but to call those countries "Soviet-style planned economies" is dishonest; and obviously most of them did it together.

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Takes 3 seconds to Google it:

socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

I am fully aware of that and don't need Google to help me; and it is amazing that you took more than 3 days to write such an inaccurate reply.

The point wasn't to say that they are the same, but to ridicule a hypocrite using a list of synonyms to claim that two vaguely similar words were the same, while also claiming that socialism and communism only have a minor overlap (with the usual definition communism is a subset of socialism - but historically it is more complicated); when they are listed as synonyms!

[Triks]

What makes Haiti - recently ruled by a confiscating dictator and then a mix including social democrats - a good example of capitalism?


Are you familiar with the US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, western Europe?

Yes, there has been government interventions - but to call those countries "Soviet-style planned economies" is dishonest; and obviously most of them did it together.

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I am fully aware of that and don't need Google to help me; and it is amazing that you took more than 3 days to write such an inaccurate reply.

The point wasn't to say that they are the same, but to ridicule a hypocrite using a list of synonyms to claim that two vaguely similar words were the same, while also claiming that socialism and communism only have a minor overlap (with the usual definition communism is a subset of socialism - but historically it is more complicated); when they are listed as synonyms!

Except the fact that virtually none of those countries are poor. Those countries can employ free-market capitalism because they have the basis to do so. After a while you can't have a hands-on-approach to the economy. Why not talk about the former Soviet and Eastern bloc countries after the fall of the Iron Curtain to around 2005-2007? Losing my energy sector to the Austrians and the dairy manufacture to the French was such a triumph for capitalism!

In regards to Haiti, it has experienced capital flight from the USA and according to Chicago devotees it should be a prosperous little island while in reality it cannot feed itself. It needs very heavy anti-corruption interventions and a rethink of its trading policy among other things. Haiti doesn't need Chicago pontifications.

It took me "more than 3 days" because I had other things to do with my life. I am here when I have nothing else to do or I have something to do but I am too lazy to do it (like now).

Except they aren't the same. Communism is socialist but socialism is not communism. Socialism has been used by both the right and the left, including one Adolf Hitler who was propped up by the industrialists because socialism is not against private property. Communism is. What people rail against is a form of government called social democracy - the primary form of government adopted by most countries in the world. Nobody wants Ayn Rand's nonsense. Well, apart from Americans.

[Forogil]

Except the fact that virtually none of those countries are poor.

They were poor, now they aren't - blame capitalism for that. They are still primarily capitalist and not soviet-style planned economies.