Anduin and warlocks

[Cheapnecrolyte]

Hi guys and gals. I'm just curious how the alliance's relationship with warlocks is now that Anduin's father was blown to smithereens (RIP Varian....he tolerated warlocks in his army...the irony....). Anyways, do you believe that Anduin will take warlocks out of his army?

[derpkitteh]

considering the warlocks now control a small undying army, and their leader has the power to rip the fucking world apart, alienating them now would be stupid as hell.

[Incandio]

You have to do a lot more than annihilate his father to get a rise out of Anduin Wrynn. *MEEOW!*

[Inshabel]

Garrosh was a Warrior, Arthas was a DK #NotAllWarlocks

[Grenzstein]

Blizzard wouldn't remove a class from a faction. So, Anduin and the rest might not like it but Warlocks are staying. Also, Death Knights were waaaaay more jerks to everyone.

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Hi guys and gals. I'm just curious how the alliance's relationship with warlocks is now that Anduin's father was blown to smithereens (RIP Varian....he tolerated warlocks in his army...the irony....). Anyways, do you believe that Anduin will take warlocks out of his army?

Nah because warlocks are priest, and Anduin is a priest (for now), so they are buddies for life.

/s

[Lucrece]

Blizzard wouldn't remove a class from a faction. So, Anduin and the rest might not like it but Warlocks are staying. Also, Death Knights were waaaaay more jerks to everyone.

Death Knights are a product of warlock magics. Warlocks created DK's to decimate mages. It's why they were the original anticaster class before Blizz decided Demonhunters would be melee warlocks that eclipsed monks in mobility and were even more anticaster than DK's.

Warlocks are universally hated. In the alliance, warlocks even have to go into hiding.

[Shortsy]

Death Knights are a product of warlock magics.

The first generation Death Knights (Teron Gorefiend) were raised by warlocks, not our Death Knights. Our Death Knights were raised by fallen Val'kyr, necromancers and Arthas himself (Ner'zhul was the Elder Shaman of the Horde, not a warlock).

Warlocks created DK's to decimate mages.

They were not. The original Death Knights were made to replace the warlocks the Alliance and Doomhammer killed. Without the warlocks the Horde had no spellcasters, so Gul'dan replaced them with the Death Knights by using the dead warlocks' soulstones onto human footsoldier corpses. Their purpose was simply to replace Doomhammer's Horde's lost numbers with intelligent, spell-wielding necromancers. I cannot recall anything saying that they were to directly counter the Alliance's mages.

Our Death Knights, while adept as repelling spells, were made as elite juggernauts who wield both magic and melee. Arthas needed overwhelming force to defeat the Scarlet Crusade as a whole, not to counter their mages or clerics.

[Lucrece]

The first generation Death Knights (Teron Gorefiend) were raised by warlocks, not our Death Knights. Our Death Knights were raised by fallen Val'kyr, necromancers and Arthas himself (Ner'zhul was the Elder Shaman of the Horde, not a warlock).



They were not. The original Death Knights were made to replace the warlocks the Alliance and Doomhammer killed. Without the warlocks the Horde had no spellcasters, so Gul'dan replaced them with the Death Knights by using the dead warlocks' soulstones onto human footsoldier corpses. Their purpose was simply to replace Doomhammer's Horde's lost numbers with intelligent, spell-wielding necromancers. I cannot recall anything saying that they were to directly counter the Alliance's mages.

Our Death Knights, while adept as repelling spells, were made as elite juggernauts who wield both magic and melee. Arthas needed overwhelming force to defeat the Scarlet Crusade as a whole, not to counter their mages or clerics.

Ner'zhul tore Draenor apart through warlock magics. He was seduced by warlock magics, as were many elder shaman when they realized the fel was more powerful than the elements (just as mages soon realized as well in regards to fel vs arcane). Death magic as we know it is a product of Nathrezim meddling.


The Legion is virtually responsible for the advent of the scourge. Ner'zhul merely hijacked their knowledge to his advantage once his deal with Kil'jaeden went south.

[Shortsy]

Ner'zhul tore Draenor apart through warlock magics.

The Scepter of Sargeras, which he originally wanted to use to open a portal that he and the remaining Horde could use to travel to new worlds.

He was seduced by warlock magics

He never became a warlock. He was tricked into following Kil'jaeden, but wasn't seduced by their power. The moment he found out Kil'jaeden was manipulating him, he immediately 180'd and began trying to stop them. After summoning the portals he did indeed want power, but not from Kil'jaeden or the fel, otherwise why leave the Horde or Draenor for that matter? He wanted him and his followers to seek power themselves.

as were many elder shaman when they realized the fel was more powerful than the elements

I'm sure a few did, but the primary reason most shaman became warlocks was because they lost their powers over the elements after witnessing the atrocities the orcs committed to the Draenei. Thinking the spirits abandoned them, they took up Gul'dan's magic.

Death magic as we know it is a product of Nathrezim meddling.

The Nathrezim did not create death magic, just as the Naaru didn't create holy magic. It simply exists. See this chronicles spectrum for reference.



The Nathrezim use death and shadow magic and did indeed create Frostmourne for the sole purpose of the Lich King, but death magic itself is hardly the work of the Nathrezim or the Legion for that matter.

The Legion is virtually responsible for the advent of the scourge.

No arguments there, but I'm simply saying that the moment the Lich King rebelled against the Burning Legion, warlocks had nothing else to do with him. He himself was a product of warlocks, sure; but he himself created his Death Knights using completely different means and motives. That was the entire point.