Italian forces ignored a sinking ship. Leaked audio: we are dying, please.

[Orangetai420]

From the article:

"Although the ship was closer to Italian soil, it was in an area of international waters where Malta holds responsibility for search-and-rescue missions under European agreements"

Guess we are gunna ignore this? The blame should be on Malta.

[tikcol]

From the article:

"Although the ship was closer to Italian soil, it was in an area of international waters where Malta holds responsibility for search-and-rescue missions under European agreements"

Guess we are gunna ignore this? The blame should be on Malta.

"It's Malta's job guys. Nothing to do here"

"GWRLGWRL please help we're drowning GWRLGWRL"

"Fucking Malta. Let's go home boys"

"GWRLGWRL"

[tankbug]

Do you know nothing of Maritime Code? They are SUPPOSED to help. It was established in another age to prevent this sort of thing. That doesn't mean the ship held accountable, means the ENTIRE NATION held accountable. Jesus before you jump the liberal ship look shit up. I fucking hate reactionary people.

"Oh, had I known that there are rules that must be followed at sea to help drowning sailors, then I wouldn't have made my post"

.....

Your post made NO sense.
The poster I replied to said he/she has no sympathy for the refugees, which is the same as being indifferent to them drowning or not, but the real crime here was that martime code was broken. Kinda misses the point of that code, right?

[Orangetai420]

EDIT: I'm an idiot.

[tikcol]

Still Malta's fault.

You're wrong. Both legally and morally wrong which makes you look silly at best

[Kalis]

From the article:

"Although the ship was closer to Italian soil, it was in an area of international waters where Malta holds responsibility for search-and-rescue missions under European agreements"

Guess we are gunna ignore this? The blame should be on Malta.

It takes ages for the Maltese Navy to row their boat to that area.

[Orangetai420]

EDIT: I'm an idiot.

[tikcol]

Morally, perhaps. It was within Malta's jurisdiction, so legally - no. It seems you are well versed in maritime law, perhaps you could enlighten me.

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Then maybe they shouldn't be responsible for it.

If you have a responsibility for search and rescue in an area - that's your duty. Sure, the Italians share some blame but much more is on Malta.

"Italy had a military vessel about 20 nautical miles from the refugees’ ship"

UNCLOS and SOLAS
“
Every State shall require the master of a ship flying its
flag, in so far as he can do so without serious danger to
the ship, the crew or the passengers
:
a)to render assistance to any person found at sea in
danger of being lost;
b)to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of
persons in distress, if informed of their need of
assistance, in so far as such action may reasonably be
expected of him.”


Government Responsibilities
SAR Convention, obliges State parties to:
“...e
nsure that assistance be provided to any
person in distress at sea...regardless of the
nationality or status of such a person
or the circumstances in which that person is
found” and to .... “provide for their initial
medical or other needs, and deliver them to a
place of safety.”

[Orangetai420]

"Italy had a military vessel about 20 nautical miles from the refugees’ ship"

UNCLOS and SOLAS
“
Every State shall require the master of a ship flying its
flag, in so far as he can do so without serious danger to
the ship, the crew or the passengers
:
a)to render assistance to any person found at sea in
danger of being lost;
b)to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of
persons in distress, if informed of their need of
assistance, in so far as such action may reasonably be
expected of him.”


Government Responsibilities
SAR Convention, obliges State parties to:
“...e
nsure that assistance be provided to any
person in distress at sea...regardless of the
nationality or status of such a person
or the circumstances in which that person is
found” and to .... “provide for their initial
medical or other needs, and deliver them to a
place of safety.”

Fair enough. I'm wrong.

[Orby]

You mean "families fleeing a literal war zone".

Maybe the concept of compassion is lost on you, but not to the rest of the human race.

Its kinda of sad seeing humanity is reduced to "Let them die" mentality.

[KevyB]

Very good, they have nothing to lose sleep about.

[Magicpot]

You mean "families fleeing a literal war zone".

Maybe the concept of compassion is lost on you, but not to the rest of the human race.

He's not completly wrong, although his reasoning is crass and unfortunate.

If we keep saving these people, then more will come since it's profitable. What we really ought to do is stop all of these boats and turn them around, and those that don't make it don't make it. See how fast business dries up for the smugglers then.

By continuing to rescue these people, we're reinforcing that behavior. That means more people will drown because more will try. Our indicisiveness costs lives.

Oh and also, the last thing Europe needs is more refugees.

I mean, if we want to be more humanitarian then that, sure. Rescue them. And then immediately deport every. last. one. instantly. back from whence they came. We need to start disincentivizing this kind of behavior. Nobody gets to enter the country anymore without having applied for asylum externally and undergone a very thorough year long vetting process. And anyone who is found to enter illegally is barred from applying for asylum or returning, for life.

[Teebone]

"Oh, had I known that there are rules that must be followed at sea to help drowning sailors, then I wouldn't have made my post"

.....

Your post made NO sense.
The poster I replied to said he/she has no sympathy for the refugees, which is the same as being indifferent to them drowning or not, but the real crime here was that martime code was broken. Kinda misses the point of that code, right?

Saving them is the right thing to do. I would have too [reluctantly]. You fail to or maybe you are too young to remember that these are the same Syrians that passed out candy and took a holiday because of the WTC collapsing. Just because I don't gush over these now refugees doens't mean I wouldn't help them. Get your fucking head out of your asshole and fuck yourself.

I'm done. *mic drop*

[Deleted]

He's not completly wrong, although his reasoning is crass and unfortunate.

If we keep saving these people, then more will come since it's profitable. What we really ought to do is stop all of these boats and turn them around, and those that don't make it don't make it. See how fast business dries up for the smugglers then.

By continuing to rescue these people, we're reinforcing that behavior. That means more people will drown because more will try. Our indicisiveness costs lives.

Oh and also, the last thing Europe needs is more refugees.

I mean, if we want to be more humanitarian then that, sure. Rescue them. And then immediately deport every. last. one. instantly. back from whence they came. We need to start disincentivizing this kind of behavior. Nobody gets to enter the country anymore without having applied for asylum externally and undergone a very thorough year long vetting process. And anyone who is found to enter illegally is barred from applying for asylum or returning, for life.

It's not even rescuing/saving them anymore, at this point:

[Sharein]

Pathetic doesn't begin to describe this.

Blame human traffickers, really. They deliberately put migrants on rickety boats, hoping they get "saved" by the EU ferries. That is why we should not endorse these practices. The longer we sponsor the traffickers, the more people die at sea.

[Palapop]

Those countries have been picked over with nothing but the bones of an economy left. Italy is next on the list.

so, their goal is to leech an economy? not to protect them self?
why they don't fight for their country, flag, anthem?

[Illiterate]

I got a boner from reading just the few pages of this thread. It's wonderful to see the cultural enrichment over the years has finally knocked some sense into people.

I'd also like to know how many of these child refugees are over the age of 25 and how many of these Syrians ever stepped foot in Syria.

[Deleted]

Saving them is the right thing to do. I would have too [reluctantly]. You fail to or maybe you are too young to remember that these are the same Syrians that passed out candy and took a holiday because of the WTC collapsing. Just because I don't gush over these now refugees doens't mean I wouldn't help them. Get your fucking head out of your asshole and fuck yourself.

I'm done. *mic drop*

LOL!! who cares about wtc?? it's not in europe

passing out candy what a joke

[Illiterate]

It's not even rescuing/saving them anymore, at this point:

All aboard the Soros express!

[Kalis]

I'd also like to know how many of these child refugees are over the age of 25 and how many of these Syrians ever stepped foot in Syria.

Just because they are a lot darker than the typical Syrian, do not have Syrians accents even if they can speak Arabic and could not point out Syria on a map, let alone name anywhere in Syria, does not necessarily mean they are not Syrian. They might just be very forgetful and spent a lot of time getting a tan.