Why doesn't Bolvar find and recruit Kel'thuzad?

[iamthedevil]

I'm sure Bol'var has a plan for KT, he seems to have a plan for everything nowadays.

[anaxie]

Oh, and let's not pretend that Blizzard teasing at things means anything. Don't you remember Wrathion prancing through Pandaria warning about an imminent Legion invasion? You know what we got instead? Time travelling Orcs.

Time traveling orcs

And the Rebirth of Gul'dan
The Rebirth of the Shadow Council
The invasion of Draenor by the Legion and the Destruction of Archimonde
Gul'dan Escaped to become to catalyst to the third and final invasion leading to the destruction of the Burning Legion.

More then half of Warlords was Legion focused. So Not sure what point you were trying to make. You just look foolish or something.

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That's the only reason Kel'thuzad would be brought back for. What? Do you think he'd have any other purpose than to bring back the Scourge?

and welcome back

Bringing back the scourge is pointless. Been there done that. we skulledfucked the Scourge and Arthas. No need to do it again in the exact same location.

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As much control as he has over Sylvanas to be honest. The Stronger scourge where always granted some free will to be better lieutenants, Kelthuzad more so then anyone else would be given a very big leash. After the LK's death, I would imagine most every high end scourge left "alive" Would gain the same freedom that Sylvanas gained back in warcraft 3.

Ner'zhul left Kel'thuzad ENTIRELY free to spread the word and create the cult.

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Beings like Kil'jaeden and Archimonde are great, but they leave the ability for opportunistic villains in their wake; the destruction they caused leaves Azeroth open to invasion from less dangerous villains.



In what way is it evident? The only foreshadowing done in relation to N'zoth was Il'gynoth and the Shadowpriest artifact weapon. Nothing credible has been done this expansion to show that the next would definitely be N'zoth-themed.

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His phylactery was taken to Northrend during the events of Vanilla, and it has not been found since.

And Magni speaking to Azeroth. And the Azeroths Warning Scenario. And the Azshara seeking the Tidestone, and the Nightmare Lord Xavius, and the quotes of Malfurion in the Nightmare, and the dagger quotes which are voiced and probably has more development time per quote then most prime characters story development this expansion, and that 2 of 9 bosses in the Tomb are Naga, and last but not least. After the Legion is destroyed those 2 are the only prime threats left on azeroth, the only villans spanning WC1- till now we have never encountered, and the span the last unexplored portions of the planet itself.

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KT was pretty much best buds with Arthas.

[Thimagryn]

Bringing back the scourge is pointless. Been there done that. we skulledfucked the Scourge and Arthas. No need to do it again in the exact same location.

I didn't say it was a good idea to bring the Scourge back into the story, but that's the only option Kel'thuzad has. He's exactly like Gul'dan, a servant and a tool to usher in a greater enemy. On his own, Kel'thuzad was never ambitious enough to ascend to becoming Lich King, nor did he ever want to, even in life. Even if he were to become a new Lich King, his character lore would be shredded up and regurgitated as 'the next big bad' just like Garrosh situation; devoid of all personality that made him unique in the first place.

Other than that, he wouldn't likely serve anyone else like an Old God or the Legion. He's not likely ever to be an ally either. The best case scenario is leaving him dead.

[anaxie]

I didn't say it was a good idea to bring the Scourge back into the story, but that's the only option Kel'thuzad has in the story. He's exactly like Gul'dan, a servant and a tool to usher in a greater enemy. On his own, Kel'thuzad was never ambitious enough to ascend to becoming Lich King, nor did he ever want to, even in life. Even if he were to become a new Lich King, his character lore would be shredded up and regurgitated as 'the next big bad' just like Garrosh situation; devoid of all personality that made him unique in the first place.

Other than that, he wouldn't likely serve anyone else like an Old God or the Legion. He's not likely ever to be an ally either. The best case scenario is leaving him dead.

Kel'thuzad and Gul'dan are extremely different and similar at the same time.

Their one trait is they were both master manipulators. But far far different motivations and endgame goals.

To those believing in it. Sure they could bring KT back and leverage Bolvar as a prime villan. It would be the biggest cringe in the history of Warcraft however.

[khadaryan]

The Dreadlords corrupted Sargeras, no? They use void magic and necromancy, no?
What if the Dreadlords are agents of the void and the scourge was a tool for something nasty?
"It's all part of the master's plan''

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The Dreadlords corrupted Sargeras, no? They use void magic and necromancy, no?
What if the Dreadlords are agents of the void and the scourge was a tool for something nasty?
"It's all part of the master's plan''

Dreadlords didn't corrupt Sargeras.

[Houle]

The Dreadlords corrupted Sargeras, no? They use void magic and necromancy, no?
What if the Dreadlords are agents of the void and the scourge was a tool for something nasty?
"It's all part of the master's plan''

No. Simple as that. Sargeras wasn't corrupted by anything.

[Zulkhan]

Bolvar is irrelevant don't kid yourself about it. After Legion you probably won't hear a peep from him ever again.

How cute of you to think that one of the most iconic entities and villainous organizations of the franchise (the Lich King/the Scourge) will become "irrelevant" compared to that worthless bitch of Azshara and her Old God shenanigans that have been widely irrelevant for the most part of the game. Azshara lives more through the rabid fanboyism of her "followers" rather than anything truly significant within the game.

[anaxie]

How cute of you to think that one of the most iconic entities and villainous organizations of the franchise (the Lich King/the Scourge) will become "irrelevant" compared to that worthless bitch of Azshara and her Old God shenanigans that have been widely irrelevant for the most part of the game. Azshara lives more through the rabid fanboyism of her "followers" rather than anything truly significant within the game.

The scourge became irrelevant the moment arthas d8ed and the cult of the damned was dismantled. The cult of the damned was the backbone of the scourge

The scourge and all its leaders have been explored and e,hausted. That chapter of warcraft history is over

[Aquinan]

Source on that please?

Unlike many other forms of undead, a lich's soul is not imperfectly attached to its body; instead, liches bind their souls to special containers known as phylacteries, which then allows them to generate a physical form. This is why lich bodies look nothing like their former mortal selves, and also why one has to destroy a lich's phylactery to truly kill them; as long as a lich's phylactery and soul are allowed to remain intact, the being can never truly die and will always be able to regenerate their corporeal body.

Wowwiki/wowpedia

[Rafoel]

Unlike many other forms of undead, a lich's soul is not imperfectly attached to its body; instead, liches bind their souls to special containers known as phylacteries, which then allows them to generate a physical form. This is why lich bodies look nothing like their former mortal selves, and also why one has to destroy a lich's phylactery to truly kill them; as long as a lich's phylactery and soul are allowed to remain intact, the being can never truly die and will always be able to regenerate their corporeal body.

Wowwiki/wowpedia

Which reminds me... what was the Lich King's phylactery?

He wasn't called the LICH King for no reason, right?

[Magical Mudcrab]

Which reminds me... what was the Lich King's phylactery?

He wasn't called the LICH King for no reason, right?

No, he was called the Lich King for a reason: it's a cool name. The Lich King is, at least in Arthas' iteration, a Death Knight, which are styled after D&D's take on the Death Knight.

[Aquinan]

Which reminds me... what was the Lich King's phylactery?

He wasn't called the LICH King for no reason, right?

He was the KING of the LICHES, dosen't mean he was one :P

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Extra thought - his phylactery was Frostmourne?

[AeneasBK]

When they retconned LK into "Arthas dominant personality" it kinda made it a lot less interesting (Not quite sure why/how Arthas would/could have won that mental battle but heyo).

OT: If Kel'thuzad is "dead" and needs to be reanimated frmo his phylactery, maybe the phylactery can't be sensed in the same way as Bolvar can sense "normal" undead; and as such is still lost somewhere in Icecrown...

[Wildberry]

Time traveling orcs

And the Rebirth of Gul'dan
The Rebirth of the Shadow Council
The invasion of Draenor by the Legion and the Destruction of Archimonde
Gul'dan Escaped to become to catalyst to the third and final invasion leading to the destruction of the Burning Legion.

More then half of Warlords was Legion focused. So Not sure what point you were trying to make. You just look foolish or something.

Remember when I mentioned that your posts were cancer? This right here is why. You're either very not-bright, or ridiculously dishonest.

Wrathion spent the entirety of the MoP Legendary questline warning about an imminent Burning Legion invasion of Azeroth. The phrasing used was taken by the overwhelming majority speculators to mean that we'd see 6.0 centering on a Legion invasion of Azeroth (It took "The Blank Scroll" story to make a dent in that sort of speculation). People, much like you, were lecturing us all on just how obvious the next expansion's theme was.

Instead we got an expansion themed on time-travelling, mechanically-competent Orcs. It wasn't until 6.2 that we saw the Legion's presence on Draenor. Come on, even someone with a room temperature IQ should be capable of acknowledging that Warlords of Draenor didn't converge much at all with the pre-announcement speculation consensus.

The Legion was involved but objectively not in the manner that Wrathion alluded to, and people took as "proof" of 6.0's focus.

[mickybrighteyes]

we didn't get our hands on Kel'Thuzad's phylactery again... and smash it?

[Wildberry]

we didn't get our hands on Kel'Thuzad's phylactery again... and smash it?

anaxie is an idiot.
Nope.

[anaxie]

Remember when I mentioned that your posts were cancer? This right here is why. You're either very not-bright, or ridiculously dishonest.

Wrathion spent the entirety of the MoP Legendary questline warning about an imminent Burning Legion invasion of Azeroth. The phrasing used was taken by the overwhelming majority speculators to mean that we'd see 6.0 centering on a Legion invasion of Azeroth (It took "The Blank Scroll" story to make a dent in that sort of speculation). People, much like you, were lecturing us all on just how obvious the next expansion's theme was.

Instead we got an expansion themed on time-travelling, mechanically-competent Orcs. It wasn't until 6.2 that we saw the Legion's presence on Draenor. Come on, even someone with a room temperature IQ should be capable of acknowledging that Warlords of Draenor didn't converge much at all with the pre-announcement speculation consensus.

The Legion was involved but objectively not in the manner that Wrathion alluded to, and people took as "proof" of 6.0's focus.

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You fail miserably at following the story flow. Holy shit

Also thw shadow council and demons were in WoD from the start when the deceptions failed at the blood drinking

[tikcol]

Well maybe he's just bloody annoyed with kel'thuzad just like me. I'm tired of killing his bony ass only to see him come back bonnier than before.

[Dalheim]

Source on that please?

''Nyorloth (creator of the WoW Story Forum and the Ask CDev project) confirmed Kel'Thuzad's continued existence by mentioning that he has "survived two separate Lich Kings"

Dont know if anyone responded or not with a source.