No Vengeance nerf in the hotfixes?? Are they kidding?

[Typhoria]

Y'all keep saying that the guy is better than the whole raid combined and stuff, but people, TANK pulling 797k dps on KROSUS?! In a mere 914 gear? If you call that even remotely normal, you might belong to a mental asylum.

Wew I lol'd.

[Wenoxar]

For the same reason a dps shouldn't outheal a healer on a mythic fight. I think some snowflakes just need to feel "special" in a raid and be able to do everything.

I still believe that S-tier tank DPS wise should be able to outdps D tier DPS specs.

[A dot Ham]

It's a symptom of the rampant power inflation that is now totally out of control. As I linked earlier, from the first raid to the last in cata, your dps about doubled. TOS dps, however, is 5X Emerald Nightmare. It's stupid. It ruins their ability to balance the game because the power levels they have to tune for are so varied.

I agree with that 100%. All of it.

[Trend]

I'm not sure that I understand the complaint. From the beginning of WoW, class balance has always been way out of whack for encounters that the group outgears. Because you don't need to do mechanics in the same way and because you can take offensive maximizing talents and gear and not worry about survivability, the fights become quite different than they were during progression. Everything that I have seen linked in this thread seems to be related to garbage-time farming rather than progression. After all, this is the very end of NH, of course it's getting rolled now.

So my question to the people who are upset about VDH damage in NH: Are you upset because you think that VDH will do disproportionate damage during progression in ToS or are you upset that VDH is able to cheese more than other tanks for farm status NH content?

Personally, I think the first concern will be disproven in a matter of weeks and the second is irrelevant, but I am curious what you're actually mad about.

[Socialhealer]

I still believe that S-tier tank DPS wise should be able to outdps D tier DPS specs.

then it's only fair an S-tier dps, should have better survival than a D tier tank right?

if we're talking about skill here that's the ideal world.

[markos82]

Did some +10DHT last night, DH tank was doing 880k dps average, i barely managed to beat him with 940k

[Nebthet]

Tanked several +15s~ on my 920 VDH, averaged 1.2m to 1.5m overall. I do believe it's kinda overtuned, but hey I'm enjoying it quite a lot.

[SupBrah]

Veng is fine

[Radaney]

Man stuff like this drives me crazy. High parses on a tank does not indicate a good tank. In fact, when I see a high parsing tank, I see a tank who isn't doing his job right.

Sure maybe in LFR.

When you're a mythic raider tank and healer dps is as important as a dps' dps.

[markos82]

Tanked several +15s~ on my 920 VDH, averaged 1.2m to 1.5m overall. I do believe it's kinda overtuned, but hey I'm enjoying it quite a lot.

Kinda overtunned? When tank out dps a AOE dps spec with same Ilvl its not kinda, it overtuned by a fcking mile

Veng is fine

As a tank sure as a tank that deals more dps/dmg than a dps class no its not

[elaina]

you know ther eis a reason why they do so much damage they are keep this mind einstein they are a HERO class so just stop trying to get them nerf'd they need to compete with the other hero class the death knight mmkay.

Is this a joke lol

Can #heroclass be a meme?

[Sparklelord]

Vengeance DHs are doing 900k on single target.

This guy linked in the logs was doing 400k single target. Link to some logs with a DH doing 900kish please?

[elaina]

It shouldn't happen period. I can't shine my balls, put on crazy train, and fucking dps tank the shit out of xxxx boss as pure dps, and no matter how dedicated to healing I may want to be a given time, I can't heal the shit out of the raid as pure dps in a clutch moment.

10/10 on this salt

[Toybox]

This guy linked in the logs was doing 400k single target. Link to some logs with a DH doing 900kish please?

960k on Mythic Trilliax, 100% ST.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

912k on Mythic Star Augur.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

1m on Mythic Krosus.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

1.15m on Mythic Elisande (82% boss damage, 18% add damage)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

[elaina]

It's a symptom of the rampant power inflation that is now totally out of control. As I linked earlier, from the first raid to the last in cata, your dps about doubled. TOS dps, however, is 5X Emerald Nightmare. It's stupid. It ruins their ability to balance the game because the power levels they have to tune for are so varied.

Definitely. I have no idea why they keep doing this. Especially in a game that routinely tries to even the playing field between old and returning players. Also contributes to loot drama over OP trinkets and tier sets because if something doubles your damage it is kind of important to obtain.

[Ealyssa]

then it's only fair an S-tier dps, should have better survival than a D tier tank right?

It can allready be the case.

Put a shity tank against a MM+20 tyrannical boss, he will be insta killed

Put a great rogue, he will survive ~10-20s. (sure some poor class can't tank for shit, like enh shaman. but the may have other assist tools)

The only difference here is that a great tank can carry shity DPS, we actually do that all week long. On the other side great DPS can't carry a shity tank, simple as that. And wow is not about Tanking VS DPS. You also have to heal, some DPS have no tanking ability but a little healing. Other have great CC capabilites. Tanking OR dpsing aren't the only two factor to judge a class.

[Sparklelord]

960k on Mythic Trilliax, 100% ST.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

912k on Mythic Star Augur.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

1m on Mythic Krosus.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

1.15m on Mythic Elisande (82% boss damage, 18% add damage)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

thank you

[cuafpr]

Man stuff like this drives me crazy. High parses on a tank does not indicate a good tank. In fact, when I see a high parsing tank, I see a tank who isn't doing his job right.

just know u are not the only that thinks tanks should null for DPS basically... :/ our job should survive and control the fight flow... /sigh.

[Toybox]

just know u are not the only that thinks tanks should null for DPS basically... :/ our job should survive and control the fight flow... /sigh.

And what about when that's just too easy, be it from experience, gear, or the fact the content is on farm? Should healers not contribute DPS when they're able? Should tanks not do as much as possible to maximize their DPS without risking death?

Obviously it shouldn't extend to these levels, but still, I feel a player should try & get the most out of his/her character in every way possible. Of course proper use of mitigation & handling of boss mechanics comes before DPS, but after those two things are handled, going after DPS makes sense.

[cuafpr]

And what about when that's just too easy, be it from experience, gear, or the fact the content is on farm? Should healers not contribute DPS when they're able? Should tanks not do as much as possible to maximize their DPS without risking death?

Obviously it shouldn't extend to these levels, but still, I feel a player should try & get the most out of his/her character in every way possible. Of course proper use of mitigation & handling of boss mechanics comes before DPS, but after those two things are handled, going after DPS makes sense.

imo nope they shouldn't... i play a tank to tank not contribute dps, same as when i healed.... if i wanted to DPS i'd play DPS.