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  1. #61
    Its easy enough to blame someone after all the shit happen.

    Can you blame Muradin for showing Arthas Frostmourne?Or train him during youth?

    Can you blame the Kirin Tor for reject Kel'thuzad experiments which eventually lead him to the Dark path?

    If someone its to blame for Garrosh path its Thrall for placing the young warrior in the Highest position of one of the two most powerfull factions of Azeroth, EVEN IF EVERYBODY ELSE INCLUDING HIM SAID NO!

    And yea, Varian could totally predict that Garrosh would escape in a time gate, go to the past, create a alternative timeline and a new Horde and decide to invade CURRENT timeline azeroth and lead us to the Worst expansion ever.*sarcasm*

    If we should blame someone for Gul'dan, its Khadgar, we could Kill him in the spot, and still shutdown the Red portal.But no, free him, what could possibly happen if we set the most dangerous Orc in the fucking franchise history free, well we can see now what happened.

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    No, it's Thrall's fault, he knew that little shit Garrosh was an unstable warmonger, and he made him Warchief anyways... Cairne Bloodhoof should have been made Warchief after Thrall stepped down, and none of this would have happened.
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  3. #63
    Technically, it was Thrall's fault for making a hothead like Garrosh the warchief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lithuvien View Post
    Technically, it was Thrall's fault for making a hothead like Garrosh the warchief.
    And that was Grom's fault because Thrall loved him so much he just wanted his best friend back in the form of his son.
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    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

  5. #65
    It was the Draeni's fault, really. They started everything but 1) 2/3rds of their race succumbing to the dark side and 2) the rest invading the orc's homeworld and not bothering to tell them that the ultimate deceiving evil was chasing them.

  6. #66
    More like it was Varian's Mercy that caused the Legion's ultimate defeat....

    Cause, without Garrosh's trial, we wouldnt've gained WoD, hence having us NOT free gul'dan, hence no Archimonde nether BS, hence no invasion, hence no Demon Hunters, no Artifacts also, and...lastly...hence no Argus, and The Deceiver's fall....

    He pretty much saved us. He gave not just his Life, but his honor to save us all. And sooner or later, his honor would be his downfall, mainly at the hands of the same monster, who sent his underling to kill the High-king's very own father.

    A sad loss, indeed....

    For Varian! For The Alliance!

  7. #67
    If you go all this, you might as well fault yourself for giving Wrathion life.

    Or for giving Kairoz the means to pull this off.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer View Post
    I keep thinking about it. WoW's morality is more brutal even than that of Song of Ice and Fire: spare you defeated enemy's life, and you will call ruin upon yourself and your kingdom. And your entire world.
    A single movement of a sword that stopped Doomhammer from smashing Garrosh's skull to pieces ;aunched the chain of events that ended up for Varian himself in taking a charge of fel fire through the chest. Not even saying about countless deaths of his own people. So, is nobility worse than betrayal? What do you people think? Maybe it was not mercy, but something else that moved his hand?
    Um... how was garrosh living at the end of SoO linked to the legion's invasion? As I understand teh story went that Garrosh wibbly/wobblied into AU draenor and kicked Guldan in teh dick rejecting the legion's offer but Guldan was still going to be a legion pawn regardless.

  9. #69
    Don't get me wrong this isn't the dumbest thing posted in the Lore forums.

    But it's close. You also lose points for trying to sound like Gandalf.
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Douchebag View Post
    That is one way to look at it, but then again, you could blame a lot of people for it by using this kind of logic.

    It's Thralls' fault for promoting Garrosh to warchief
    It's Tharan Zhus' fault for wanting a trial in Pandaria
    It's the august celestials' fault for being moronic judges

    You could go on like this. The legion would have returned at some point anyway, their return was inevitable. Blaming it on Varian is kinda' silly, because there's no way he could have foreseen all the events that eventually led up to the legions' return.
    Or we could just blame Garrosh for Garrosh's actions.
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  11. #71
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    ... but Guldan was still going to be a legion pawn regardless.
    Left the trail of breadcrumbs back to our dimension I guess. Hoonestly picking your scabs is better use of time than trying to reason out the AU lore abomination.
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    He was a weak leader and tbh Anduin won't do much better.

    For some reason the royal line of Stormwind always manages to ruin their kingdom and the lands around it.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Left the trail of breadcrumbs back to our dimension I guess. Hoonestly picking your scabs is better use of time than trying to reason out the AU lore abomination.
    But doesn't the legion already have that trail already? From the repeated attempts to invade in the past that weren't as successful... like WC1... 2... 3... TBC... etc. This time around they just showed off a stupid new power of teh legion being that they have access to all dimensions as well and can recruit your alternate self.

    It just turned out that THIS was the time they finally got enough ground side powerbase to actually start bringing in the big guns caue everyone else was distracted by shit.

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    distracted and not looking at some islands that weren't on the map that the world isn't completely aware of at all times.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by mickybrighteyes View Post
    But doesn't the legion already have that trail already?
    Probably, as I suggested, the story got a bit "dumb as shit" at that stage.
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    Legion invasion was inevitable, and bound to happen as long as sargeras is living, so yeah, no one should be blamed about it.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Or we could just blame Garrosh for Garrosh's actions.
    I get the feeling you kinda' missed the point.

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    I mean the legion has more then one pawn. Did it have to be Iron Gul' Dan who opened the way? The invasion would of occured eventually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Douchebag View Post
    I get the feeling you kinda' missed the point.
    Oh, that happens all the time.

  19. #79
    Actually, it's Garrosh's mom's fault for getting the hots for Garrosh's dad on that fateful Friday night in Nagrand. Clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Oh, that happens all the time.
    In general or with him specifically?

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