Follow. The. Case.
Jesus christ. She was a MONSTER in this case. She literally said (from the article)
Carter: "I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this every day."
She is a fucking monster of a person. Period.
Insane. what kind of weak willed loser kills themselves because an ex girlfriend texted them to do so? Hes not even a beta male, that's like Zeta male.
He wasn't dying though. He seemed to constantly be talking about doing it. Again, I'm extremely uncomfortable that encouraging someone to commit suicide makes that person culpable. The kid wanted to die enough to actually go through with it with some encouragement. Facing up to 20 years in prison for that situation...?
Nah.
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There's a difference between being an awful human being and being criminally responsible.
I agree manslaughter is kind of weird, but this was way worse than merely telling him to kill himself. She basically psychologically mindfucked a mentally-ill vulnerable person who loved her into thinking he should do it. When the person who should love you most is just matter-of-factly telling you that you need to do it, what else do you even have left? And this wasn't just a one off thing... it was over multiple days, so she clearly knew what she was doing and was even on the phone with him as it happened and did nothing to stop it.
Yes it's true her actions did not physically kill the guy, the supposed "method" was more psychological / emotional, but again... vulnerable depressed guy who thinks this person should care about him. An interesting difference between this and other intentional manslaughter cases (such as killing someone with your car, or accidentally shooting somebody), there was actual foreknowledge and intent with her actions. It wasn't mere reckless happenstance causing a chain reaction. She knew what she was doing, which makes it more sinister/heinous that most over cases like this.
IMO this girl is probably borderline personality at least if not slightly psychotic and was doing it for the attention she'd receive from everyone for her boyfriend dying.
You're getting exactly what you deserve.
Disturbing amount of people in this thread with no clue or even a shred of an idea of what depression/mental illness is and how much affect you can have on someone that looks to you for support in a partnership where they unconditionally love you. It's not as simple as words, it's much more than that when you're dealing with somebody that has severe depression. Constantly encouraging a person with such an illness over a couple of years or more is pretty damn reckless and can easily be stamped as involuntary manslaughter.
Some of these posters need to educate themselves on depression and related mental illnesses because they have absolutely no clue how susceptible they are to suggestion when help is not given for this individual to improve their issues. Which it seems apparent she had no care in the world to do.
Psychology is a powerful thing, even more so when you have the right person and circumstance to take advantage of.
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Yes, it is a powerful thing. But criminal liability is a different level. Declaring people need to educate themselves on whatever you think they aren't informed enough about is pretty ridiculous. One can be educated on the matter and still feel as if criminality is a bridge too far.
It is involuntary manslaughter mate, you can deny it all you like but the jury have spoken pretty clearly. The meaning of those words pretty much puts her in that category, therefore she's regarded a criminal. Go look it up for me too, I'd like to see if you can prove me wrong. She is liable.
She's not going to be sentenced for 20 years. 20 years is just the maximum penalty.She could face up to 20 years in prison, though experts say such a lengthy sentence is unlikely.
Bottom line is that it was within her power to at least make an attempt to stop him..and not only did she not do anything...she actively pushed him to do it. She wanted the attention of being the girl whose boyfriend committed suicide...well...She got it. Be careful what you wish for.
“The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply,” Stephen Covey.
Experts also thought a guilty verdict was unlikely so that's not a compelling argument.
It's well known what she did. You can repeat it and call it the "bottom line" as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact that she was found guilty for expressing a thought. That's the basic premise.
It's also not the final word. It will be interesting to see if the conviction is overturned on appeal.
From my point of view the sentence is well earned. Is was not a simple "Kill yourself". She constantly pushed him, she knew he had issues and still pushed him, she knew he needed help and still pushed him. You don't tell a person in that situation "kill yourself" and not expect something like this to happen. If it she had told him just once and then he proceeded to do it I would be more lenient, but no, it was way too many times. Hell she even was disappointed at times when she found out that he still hadn't kill himself. In the article it even says that at one point he was so broken that he was fucking apologizing to her for still being alive.
And she still pushed him to do it...