Which side is worse.

[Ielenia]

Elves, dwarves, gnomes and humans are creatures that came to be AFTER ETs visited Azeroth and fucked up creation,

Unless you are arguing that the "ETs" brought those aforementioned races in their spaceship with themselves and dropped them on Azeroth like you do when you buy a new fish for your aquarium, you're dead wrong.

All those races are original from Azeroth because they were born in Azeroth. They came to be in Azeroth. The means which they came to be (if it was through "natural means" or "outside influence") is completely irrelevant.

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So, let's say both your parents are from China (every generation) and they move to Mexico and the give birth to you. Does that make you Mexican?
Ofc not.. You are still Chinese, only you are not in China.

Yes, it makes you a Mexican. A Mexican with Chinese descent, but still Mexican.

Of course, that's talking about nationalities.

[Sigxy]

No....

Elves, dwarves, gnomes and humans are creatures that came to be AFTER ETs visited Azeroth and fucked up creation,
Trolls, Tauren and Goblins are the only (playable) races that is original to Azeroth..

Yeah but where else were humans "originated" from in the WoW universe? Their VERY FIRST appearance was on Azeroth. Doesn't matter if someone decided to create them there or if it was through evolution: if it was first created, or appeared, on Azeroth: that is where they originated from until we're suddenly told they first appeared on another world.

It doesn't even have to be races that can originate. The gnomes must've invented a lot of stuff that wasn't around before, after they succumbed to the curse of flesh, and each of those inventions originated from.. well.. Azeroth!

[Deleted]

No... Original races = races that were present before Titans, Old Gods, Demons or any other outsiders began to meddle with life..
Of those, only Trolls, Tauren and Goblins are available to players..

Humans, Dwarves and Gnomes are mutations from seeds, craeted by extre "terrestial" beings.
Elves are mutations of an original race (troll) and thus by definition not original.
Draenai and Orcs are clearly aliens
Pandaren er decentants from an unknown race, but wide regarded as NOT original origin, as they were not present pre Titan arrival.

I see.
Elves don't count because they're a mutation.
Goblins DO count despite being created through experiments by... a titan watcher.
Night elves don't tho.
Because... skewered standards.

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No....

Elves, dwarves, gnomes and humans are creatures that came to be AFTER ETs visited Azeroth and fucked up creation,
Trolls, Tauren and Goblins are the only (playable) races that is original to Azeroth..

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So, let's say both your parents are from China (every generation) and they move to Mexico and the give birth to you. Does that make you an original Mexican?
Ofc not.. You are still Chinese, only you are not in China.

Same with Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes; three of hjem are directly seeded by ETs and one is a mutation brought by ET.

THEY ARE NOT ORIGINAL!!

They all came into existence at some point throughout history. None of them exist since azeroth was born. None. They all originated on Azeroth (except the aliens offc).
You wanna make this arbitrary judgement that races that were created through outside influence don't count, that's... fine...? I guess? It's not based on anything real tho.

[Dastreus]

I can only think of 3 wrong things the alliance has done. Garithos fucking with the Quel'Thalas elves (to be fair, this was AFTER Lordaeron fell, so he's somewhat of a 'free agent'), Stormwind refusing to pay the Masonry Guild for rebuilding Stormwind after WC1 (See: Defias), and Aedelas was kind of a jerk. Got anymore?

Horde:
-Forsaken: create horrifying blight, use Valkyr to raise the dead into more undead (at least the raised get a choice after), experiment with twisted mind control that was likely from torture (See: Theresa in the Undercity), and use living humans (not just Scarlet Crusaders) in experiments of their plague.
-Orcs: What the Garrosh in Draenor bit taught us, is the orcs are driven intensely on lust for power and conquest. The Legion wasn't involved at all in Garrosh's campaign on Draenor 2, that was all orcish bloodlust.
-Blood Elves: I love my belves, but I mean, sabotaging a draenei vessel and kidnapping a Naaru to drain life from can be considered 'not cool', in a sense. At least, it turned out that Kael'Thas was in league with Kil'Jaeden, and the blood elves have mended their ways.

I might be missing some things from the horde's bad side. Tauren and Darkspear trolls seem pretty chill.

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No....

Elves, dwarves, gnomes and humans are creatures that came to be AFTER ETs visited Azeroth and fucked up creation,
Trolls, Tauren and Goblins are the only (playable) races that is original to Azeroth..

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So, let's say both your parents are from China (every generation) and they move to Mexico and the give birth to you. Does that make you an original Mexican?
Ofc not.. You are still Chinese, only you are not in China.

Same with Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes; three of hjem are directly seeded by ETs and one is a mutation brought by ET.

THEY ARE NOT ORIGINAL!!

Elves are native to Azeroth, however. They are an offshoot of Trolls, and the high elves, an offshoot of night elves.

[Magnagarde]

Whu-- wh-- what. "Forsaken is a product of the Alliance"? What the hell, man? What are you smoking? Gotta be some powerful shit to make you come up with nonsense like that.

Anytime you argue about the Forsaken will see you encounter someone with the strenght to take mental gymnastics to the next level.

[Lawnmower]

I look at it like this, the Horde is, by far, the worst. The Horde was created by humans IRL. Humans are alliance. Therefore alliance is worse.

[Dispraise]

No....

Elves, dwarves, gnomes and humans are creatures that came to be AFTER ETs visited Azeroth and fucked up creation,
Trolls, Tauren and Goblins are the only (playable) races that is original to Azeroth..

No....

Trolls, Tauren and Goblins are creatures that came to be AFTER ETs visited Azeroth and fucked up creation.
Their development was effected by the actions of the old gods and titans, both directly and indirectly.
By your own metric, they are not original.

But that's okay, because that's a really pointless and stupid thing to try and pin up an argument with anyway.

[Traveler Voltin]

Trolls evolved naturally on Azeroth with the help of her blood.

[FelPlague]

Bad deeds for the sake of bad deeds is evil.
Bad deeds for the sake of a greater good, is not evil. It can be good or misguided, depending on the premise..

In case of Sylvanas, the greater good (survival of her self and her subjects) far outweigh any misdeeds she have committed.
Sylvanas puts her subjects survival above all else, which is a text book example of good.

so the nazi were good?
no the greater good is not her races survival, the greater good is the planet survives, we could give less of a fuck her race survives, her race isnt even a race

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No....

Trolls, Tauren and Goblins are creatures that came to be AFTER ETs visited Azeroth and fucked up creation.
Their development was effected by the actions of the old gods and titans, both directly and indirectly.
By your own metric, they are not original.

But that's okay, because that's a really pointless and stupid thing to try and pin up an argument with anyway.

nope, trolls were on the planet before the titans came

[Dispraise]

nope, trolls were on the planet before the titans came

Three things:
Titans were not the first "ETs" to come to Azeroth, And the previous arrivals had a very large sphere of influence.
The playable Trolls (which is what the other poster is talking about) are not the same race of Trolls that first appeared on Azeroth.
Chronicles, to the best of my knowledge, suggests their development was strongly effected by the well of eternity. Which would mean no, not really.

[FelPlague]

Three things:
Titans were not the first "ETs" to come to Azeroth, And the previous arrivals had a very large sphere of influence.
The playable Trolls (which is what the other poster is talking about) are not the same race of Trolls that first appeared on Azeroth.
Chronicles, to the best of my knowledge, suggests their development was strongly effected by the well of eternity. Which would mean no, not really.

the trolls became the elves through the well of eternity ,but have constantly been said to have been on azeroth before the arrivail of the titans

[Dispraise]

the trolls became the elves through the well of eternity ,but have constantly been said to have been on azeroth before the arrivail of the titans

"Constantly" where, exactly? Chronicles lore supersedes lore stated previously. What does Chronicles say on the subject?

[FelPlague]

"Constantly" where, exactly? Chronicles lore supersedes lore stated previously. What does Chronicles say on the subject?

Ask CDev Answers - Round 2
What races were on Azeroth before the coming of the titans?
Besides the elementals, the only known sentient races on Azeroth when the titans' forces arrived to subdue the Old Gods were the trolls, the race known as "faceless ones," and the aqir. Due to the Old Gods' war against the titans, as well as the extensive terraforming that followed the war's conclusion, records of what races existed before even the Old Gods' arrival have likely been lost forever.

[Dispraise]

Ask CDev Answers - Round 2
What races were on Azeroth before the coming of the titans?
Besides the elementals, the only known sentient races on Azeroth when the titans' forces arrived to subdue the Old Gods were the trolls, the race known as "faceless ones," and the aqir. Due to the Old Gods' war against the titans, as well as the extensive terraforming that followed the war's conclusion, records of what races existed before even the Old Gods' arrival have likely been lost forever.

For generation after generation, life bloomed across the ordered world of Azeroth. Nowhere was this more evident than in the dense woodlands around the Well of Eternity. The fount of Azeroth's arcane lifeblood accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth. Before long, sentient beings evolved from the land's primitive life-forms.

Among the first and most prolific were the trolls

Chronicles trumps Ask CDev here, sorry.

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Going by playerbase, Horde is clearly far worse.