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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspellz View Post
    I don't want my tax dollars to pay for the military industrial complex and Trump tower rooms but hey, kinda stuck with it.
    It isn't that big of a deal. I will register my objection to it but I am not losing sleep over it.

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
    Alot of those things can be made and maintain by corporations so no.
    Private roads were a shit show. Funny enough it's republican states that benefit the most from this. I think my uncle when I went back for a visit said Montana got like a 6:1 return based on the taxes they paid for roads. Even if the exact amount is off the relationship holds up. If you'd like for "real America " to be a pothole riddled shit show go for it. But check out your history the private road system back in the day was a patchwork nightmare at Best. Education is another example of where private isn't always better.

    But you're of the type where everything government is inherently less efficient reality be damned. Private companies are never inefficient right? That's why VHS is what everybody uses because it was the superior medium not just had better marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanablossom View Post
    Rather well-educated foreigners than hillbilly familycrosser kids.
    Why are you so afraid of foreigners? "your" kind was also a foreigner in America once.
    Not only that, you are a minority in your own country, so basically you aren't even a "proper" American.
    So you want potential terrorists coming into the country who give zero fucks about our country's values, traditions, culture, our way of life our way of faith, other then to dismantle ours and everything we stand for and promote their own laws that suppress America and her people then be american born citizens who love and support this country and its values? Who built this nation from the ground up? That sounds insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halyon View Post
    Ahaha, HAHAHAHA! You don't know anything then. There are women who would die without BC. That's a health benefit.

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    Nothing is without risk. Why should BC be limited to the extent it is when shit like viagra (which can kill you) is not?
    No they do not they die from other things which can be prevented by condoms or abstinence.

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    Either really bad bait, or legitimately ignorant beyond human comprehension.
    It prevents prostate cancer so yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
    So you want potential terrorists coming into the country who give zero fucks about our country's values, traditions, culture, our way of life our way of faith, other then to dismantle ours and everything we stand for and promote their own laws that suppress America and her people then be american born citizens who love and support this country and its values? Who built this nation from the ground up? That sounds insane.
    damn that's some scathing self reflection right there, oh wait, you're not talking about yourself here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varitok View Post
    You are aware that those people pay taxes too?

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    Yes they do, Have you been to a health clinic?
    And?? Why should I pay for you? Inbfr "lulz cuz yer pert of society!!!" Society will be fine without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    damn that's some scathing self reflection right there, oh wait, you're not talking about yourself here?
    I'm an exception those values reflect me and my soul, and I've contributed unlike some Foreigner from a poor third world country.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post

    I'm an exception they reflect me
    /snorts

    they sure do. and the only thing you've contributed as far as I can tell is to the embarrassment of this country. you're a fucking wanna be Confederate who pisses on this countries history and good name. I'd take ten families from mexico over you any day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSerialSniper View Post
    I'd rather tax dollars pay for birth control then unwanted children.
    No children are unwanted and no you don't want birth control over them. It will hurt this country. What about the foreigners that don't believe in safe sex? They'll breed like rabbits and outnumber us and influence our government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shimerra View Post
    Private roads were a shit show. Funny enough it's republican states that benefit the most from this. I think my uncle when I went back for a visit said Montana got like a 6:1 return based on the taxes they paid for roads. Even if the exact amount is off the relationship holds up. If you'd like for "real America " to be a pothole riddled shit show go for it. But check out your history the private road system back in the day was a patchwork nightmare at Best. Education is another example of where private isn't always better.

    But you're of the type where everything government is inherently less efficient reality be damned. Private companies are never inefficient right? That's why VHS is what everybody uses because it was the superior medium not just had better marketing.
    I have read the history and obsoviously you don't know it, they actually worked out great along with private railroads until the government decided to become tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
    No children are unwanted and no you don't want birth control over them. It will hurt this country. What about the foreigners that don't believe in safe sex? They'll breed like rabbits and outnumber us and influence our government.
    and I'd take them over you any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post

    In its original form, the bill proposed no cost-sharing for any types of hormonal contraceptives, including pills and a patch. The insurance industry had worried that the bill could apply to forms of contraceptives that are more costly for insurers.


    yeah this had absolutely nothing to do with social healthcare.
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    cost sharing is not subsidized/social medicine. It's a way to handle insurance. Yes, it sounds scary and foreign, but is about as socialist as social media.
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  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
    No they do not they die from other things which can be prevented by condoms or abstinence.
    No children are unwanted and no you don't want birth control over them. It will hurt this country. What about the foreigners that don't believe in safe sex? They'll breed like rabbits and outnumber us and influence our government.
    It helps prevent certain types of cancer, it controls hormones, women with ovarian cysts (which can cause infertility among other things) can use it to curbstomp the effects.

    Tell me again that BC doesn't have health benefits.

    Unwanted children doesn't exist... I guess women who order abortifications through the internet or whatever else they can in countries were abortions are outlawed...those are fake news. I guess abortion in general is just fake news. And the adoption centers.

    And I personally do not ever want children. So I must be fake news.

    Do...do I even exist? IS THIS ALL A DREAM?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    My solution allows for people to put themselves at risk. I'm not saying they shouldn't go to a doctor, merely that they should be able to make more of those decisions on their own.
    your solution might have some merit if there was only one type of pill, but there are dozens, both in dosage and in mechanism. considering the risks if you make a really bad choice you don't want to be making that choice unassisted.
    you also want to prevent pre-pubescent girls from buying/using them to grow their boobs or what not, that can cause big problems.
    And you don't want men to buy them either to sneak into their partners food.

    It's not hard to imagine more bad outcomes if they became over the counter, but those three should probably cover the majority of issues.


    but honestly my concern with getting a years worth of supply at once would be expiration dates or the pills going bad because you store them in a warm spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Him of Many Faces View Post
    your solution might have some merit if there was only one type of pill, but there are dozens, both in dosage and in mechanism. considering the risks if you make a really bad choice you don't want to be making that choice unassisted.
    you also want to prevent pre-pubescent girls from buying/using them to grow their boobs or what not, that can cause big problems.
    And you don't want men to buy them either to sneak into their partners food.

    It's not hard to imagine more bad outcomes if they became over the counter, but those three should probably cover the majority of issues.
    Like I said, if a person does not know what he or she is doing, he or she would be best served by going to a doctor. If someone knows what they want, then let them have it.

    As for poisoning others, there are already other laws on the books about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Like I said, if a person does not know what he or she is doing, he or she would be best served by going to a doctor. If someone knows what they want, then let them have it.

    As for poisoning others, there are already other laws on the books about that.
    you seriously think a 10 year old girl should be allowed to make that decision?

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Him of Many Faces View Post
    you seriously think a 10 year old girl should be allowed to make that decision?
    It's very illegal to engage in activity that would in the vast majority of cases warrant that sort of choice, and even then, it'd be her parents who'd have to ok anything she does. You're not even on thin ice anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Him of Many Faces View Post
    you seriously think a 10 year old girl should be allowed to make that decision?
    There are already laws about children making those decisions, which was not what was being discussed.

    I do think that once a person has determined they want a product, then it's really none of the government's business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    and I'd take them over you any day of the week.
    And I'm not surprised that you would want to bring more problems into this country than fix them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
    And I'm not surprised that you would want to bring more problems into this country than fix them.
    ya see this is where I'd normally spell out all my virtues but since I know you don't care I'll just say at the very least I'll take people who may have the capacity to embrace the American ideal over people stead fast in their shitty ways. and you think I like arguing in favor of Muslims? I don't really, it's just your points of view are so skewed that I'm forced to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halyon View Post
    It's very illegal to engage in activity that would in the vast majority of cases warrant that sort of choice, and even then, it'd be her parents who'd have to ok anything she does. You're not even on thin ice anymore.
    last i checked if a underage girls walks into a doctors office and asks for the pill they can't refuse her and can't call parents/guardians by law. what part of a 10 year old wanting the pill is illegal exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    That would generally be a bad idea
    Actually, doctors think it would be a good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
    Over-the-Counter Access to Oral Contraceptives

    ABSTRACT: Unintended pregnancy remains a major public health problem in the United States. Access and cost issues are common reasons why women either do not use contraception or have gaps in use. A potential way to improve contraceptive access and use, and possibly decrease unintended pregnancy rates, is to allow over-the-counter access to oral contraceptives (OCs). Screening for cervical cancer or sexually transmitted infections is not medically required to provide hormonal contraception. Concerns include payment for pharmacist services, payment for over-the-counter OCs by insurers, and the possibility of pharmacists inappropriately refusing to provide OCs. Weighing the risks versus the benefits based on currently available data, OCs should be available over-the-counter. Women should self-screen for most contraindications to OCs using checklists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Him of Many Faces View Post
    last i checked if a underage girls walks into a doctors office and asks for the pill they can't refuse her and can't call parents/guardians by law. what part of a 10 year old wanting the pill is illegal exactly?
    Last I checked, sexually active 10 year olds are 'statutory rape'. Otherwise it's outside of 'generally speaking', and she'd have other health problems were sex is not part of it, and thus no reason or point in going behind parent's backs.

    Therefore, 10-year olds have fuck-all influence on weather grown-ass women should or shouldn't have free choice to get a 1-year plan, doled out in incrmeents, of birth control to regulate whatever the hell they want/need it for.

    As far as I'm concerned, they can offer life-long plans.

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