Destiny 2 Now Available for Pre-Purchase on Battle.Net

[Crookids]

Exactly ^

Gamers should never pre-purchase games.

With Amazon Prime's discount on all new games and pre-order bonuses -- there are some games you just "have" to pre-order.

[Abomlol]

Time for americans to see how it is everywhere else

That's because Americans actually earn a living IRL. You euro socialists end up playing games to earn yours. Gross.

[quras]

Still waiting to know why. Got Stormblood and N Sane Trilogy preordered. Is that a problem?

I look at it this way and its been stated for years now.

• Some pre-order thinking they will somehow miss out on the game. There is no longer a risk of missing out.
• It's a bad financial move to pre-order - You are basically giving hte game company in interest free loan. $5 pr full price. No advisor would agree to that for any company. Great for the gme company, not so great for the gamer.
• Games are often delayed for months to years while they have your money.
• It encourages pre-order rewards. A practice that encourages you to give that interest free laon. It's a consumer unfriendly practice.
• Many games are broken and buggy at launch. Some have server problem for weeks to months after release. Don't reward that kind of game.
• The game might be terrible. Not all games are good just because you pre-ordered.
• Very few times the pre-order is actually worth your money. See link.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainm...tml/?a=viewall

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/stop-preordering-games/

Given the way the game industry has to me has turned a bit dark in what they produce vs the money they make. I no longer pre-order anything unless the given reward is more than over the top for the cash I put upfront.

With Amazon Prime's discount on all new games and pre-order bonuses -- there are some games you just "have" to pre-order.

For the most part (and I used never and thats to strong a word and probably shouldn't have), I wouldn't ever pre-order a game and there is a whole lot of information why to not do it out there but as it also says, only consider it should the benefits really out weight putting any money down.

[Eleccybubb]

I look at it this way and its been stated for years now.

• Some pre-order thinking they will somehow miss out on the game. There is no longer a risk of missing out.
• It's a bad financial move to pre-order - You are basically giving hte game company in interest free loan. $5 pr full price. No advisor would agree to that for any company. Great for the gme company, not so great for the gamer.
• Games are often delayed for months to years while they have your money.
• It encourages pre-order rewards. A practice that encourages you to give that interest free laon. It's a consumer unfriendly practice.
• Many games are broken and buggy at launch. Some have server problem for weeks to months after release. Don't reward that kind of game.
• The game might be terrible. Not all games are good just because you pre-ordered.
• Very few times the pre-order is actually worth your money. See link.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainm...tml/?a=viewall

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/stop-preordering-games/

Given the way the game industry has to me has turned a bit dark in what they produce vs the money they make. I no longer pre-order anything unless the given reward is more than over the top for the cash I put upfront.

For the most part (and I used never and thats to strong a word), I wouldn't ever pre-order a game and there is a whole lot of information why to not do it out there.

And at the end of the day the choice is down to the person. If I want to pre order I will. Me and my friends just did today for XB1. Also those links are opinion pieces. Someone saying a pre order is "not worth the money" is an opinion. Just like a few of your points are.

End of the day neither you or I should tell someone whether to pre order or not. It's their money. Not ours.

Me personally I pre order games I know for sure I am going to play. Legion, Stormblood, Borderlands 2, MGS5, Fallout 4 are some of past examples. Future ones or ones that I currently have pre ordered are Crash Bandicoot: N Sane Trilogy, FF12 The Zodiac Age, Destiny 2, Micro Machines World Series and Everybody's Golf.

And no let's not blame Pre Orders for No Man's Sky. Don't be so silly. Let's blame the incompetent dev team and lying lead dev. But alas No Man's Sky is another thread. That game was not encouraged by pre orders to be lazy at all.

[quras]

SNIP..

End of the day neither you or I should tell someone whether to pre order or not. It's their money. Not ours.
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I don't agree with that. I think it's wise to not encourage people to pre-order.

They still can of courase and be happy about it or suffer the problems pre-ordering brings. Either way, It's not a practice when someone asks I would tell them to do. When pre-ordering a game comes up, I fully plan to tell gamers don't do it and why. Yes, it's an opinion and they can take it or leave it.

[Eleccybubb]

I don't agree with that. I think it's wise to not encourage people to pre-order.

They still can of courase and be happy about it or suffer the problems pre-ordering brings. Either way, It's not a practice when someone asks I would tell them to do. When pre-ordering a game comes up, I fully plan to tell gamers don't do it and why. Yes, it's an opinion and they can take it or leave it.

I said it's their decision if they want to or not want to. Don't put words in my mouth. And again you do not tell people how to spend their money. Which you are doing. It's a fact you hate pre ordering and are trying to push your one sided opinion on someone.

Read what I said. I said if someone wants to or does not want to spend their money who the hell are you and who the hell am I to tell them otherwise? You do not decide how someone should spend their money because you disagree with a practice. Nor should you even be trying to encourage people on how to/how not to spend their money.

Me and my friends HAVE pre ordered Destiny 2 on Xbox One because we WILL play the Beta and we WILL play the final product. I will happily pre order games I want if I have the money at the time. Would I tell someone else to or not to preorder? No because it's not my place. Nor is it yours.

You are entitled to an opinion. Not to shove it down peoples throats. Especially when it's a biased one towards money spending which again you have no say in how people spend their money.

I have a bunch of games Pre Ordered because some came with nice bonuses. The practice isn't going away any time soon especially when it's a popular one and a good money making strategy.

If someone came upto me now and asked "should I pre order this game" my response would be "It's your money at the end of the day, not mine". I wouldn't tell them to do either because the decision lies with them.

[RobertoCarlos]

Pre-order feels really pointless when you see retailers selling "Day one" editions months later on sale

[Kyanion]

I don't agree with that. I think it's wise to not encourage people to pre-order.

They still can of courase and be happy about it or suffer the problems pre-ordering brings. Either way, It's not a practice when someone asks I would tell them to do. When pre-ordering a game comes up, I fully plan to tell gamers don't do it and why. Yes, it's an opinion and they can take it or leave it.

And that is why I go with Amazon. Not only do I get things I want at 20% off Amazon will bend over backwards to make things right. They've taken huge chunks out of the price when a pre-order decided to not do physical discs so I had to download a huge game on my shit net. They've taken returns on games. Sure some games are not worth pre-ordering because of shady practices but when it comes down to pre-ordering something I KNOW I will play then I'm totally fine with it and the discounted savings.

However, in the case of this game I get it for basically nothing because it is just wow gold which I have millions of anyways.

[quras]

I said it's their decision if they want to or not want to. Don't put words in my mouth. And again you do not tell people how to spend their money. Which you are doing. It's a fact you hate pre ordering and are trying to push your one sided opinion on someone.

In a thread about pre-ordering, I am giving my opinion. take it or not. Make your own decision but when it comes to spending money, i'd advise not spending it pre-ordering. Its a bad habit for everyone in most cases. Rare are the times when its good for the gamer.

Read what I said. I said if someone wants to or does not want to spend their money who the hell are you and who the hell am I to tell them otherwise? You do not decide how someone should spend their money because you disagree with a practice. Nor should you even be trying to encourage people on how to/how not to spend their money.

In a public thread of pre-ordering a game, I am the one that read it and offered up why it shouldnt be done. Pretty simple to understand. I do not decide what they want to do with their money but I sure as hell can offer up an opinion on what they should do and especially so in cases like this. You don't like that. Oh well.

Me and my friends HAVE pre ordered Destiny 2 on Xbox One because we WILL play the Beta and we WILL play the final product. I will happily pre order games I want if I have the money at the time. Would I tell someone else to or not to preorder? No because it's not my place. Nor is it yours.

I would. You shouldn't pre-order games in most cases. I've listed why. Take it or leave it.

[quote]You are entitled to an opinion. Not to shove it down peoples throats. Especially when it's a biased one towards money spending which again you have no say in how people spend their money.]/quote]

I an pretty much give my opinion on this matter any time I want in this thread and especially so when part of the thread is pre-ordering a game and I think its a bad move to encourage that. Its not good for the gamer in most cases. You don't like my opinion. Well once again, too bad because around here, thats what this forum is filled with.

I have a bunch of games Pre Ordered because some came with nice bonuses. The practice isn't going away any time soon especially when it's a popular one and a good money making strategy.

Good for you. It's not something I plan to do in any large part. The practice of pre-ordering I can only hope goes away and if I can and when I can I will discourage gamers doing it and tell them or show them why. They can then make a bit better will informed decision on it other than falling for some marketing hype and a few baubles.

If someone came upto me now and asked "should I pre order this game" my response would be "It's your money at the end of the day, not mine". I wouldn't tell them to do either because the decision lies with them.

The final decision does stay with themand always will no matter what I say but there is no reason to not offer up why to not do it if someone asks "Should I pre-order this game." I'd say, no best not to and this is why. Still their money but now they get to make a better and more informed decision no matter which way they decide to go.

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And that is why I go with Amazon. Not only do I get things I want at 20% off Amazon will bend over backwards to make things right. They've taken huge chunks out of the price when a pre-order decided to not do physical discs so I had to download a huge game on my shit net. They've taken returns on games. Sure some games are not worth pre-ordering because of shady practices but when it comes down to pre-ordering something I KNOW I will play then I'm totally fine with it and the discounted savings.

However, in the case of this game I get it for basically nothing because it is just wow gold which I have millions of anyways.

See, thats pretty awesome.

Its not so one sided to the game company the way you have it worked out. You clearly are at an advantage that most probably don't know about or use.

I could see some cases pre-ordering a game in how you mentioned above. Like the article said, pre-orering in most cases is not to the benefit of the gamer but in rare cases, like you have shown. There could be a time when it's advantageous to do so.

Make an informed decision on it and not just because you fell for some marketing hype, baubles in game combined with all the negatives mentioned that pre-ordering brings.

People will always do what they want in the end but at least this way, they might use a bit more reasoning when going about it.

[Eleccybubb]

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How about people pre order if they want to and you don't tell people how their money should be spent just because you disagree with the practice? We good? Ok then. Never said I didn't like your opinion either. I said you have no right in telling anyone how their hard earned money should be spent.

And if people don't want to pre order then fine. The decision lies with them.

I pre order through Amazon as well because of their great service and discounts. Why wouldn't I? Tried other sites and their service was trash. Same reasons as @Kyanion pretty much. But of course you didn't ask that of me did you?

[quras]

How about people pre order if they want to and you don't tell people how their money should be spent just because you disagree with the practice?

They can do that anyway even if I disagree with it. They always could. You assume I have some sort of power of them beyond information given and opinion.

We good? Ok then.

No not really.

Never said I didn't like your opinion either. I said you have no right in telling anyone how their hard earned money should be spent.

On a public foums as this, Talking about pre-ordering a game. Given my opinion on it was warranted as thats part of what these forums live off of. You not liking me even giving an opinion means little as far as having the right. It's not about the right or not. It's simply giving my opinion based on the topic and a pre-order. Nothing more. I'd say the forum and thread existing gives me the right.

And if people don't want to pre order then fine. The decision lies with them.

As stated. It always has been that way. Your opinion or not. Same for me.

I pre order through Amazon as well because of their great service and discounts. Why wouldn't I? Tried other sites and their service was trash. Same reasons as @Kyanion pretty much. But of course you didn't ask that of me did you?

Why would ask you? I don't care what you do either way but at least you made a better decision about it.

[deadman1]

End of the day neither you or I should tell someone whether to pre order or not. It's their money. Not ours.

No because you pre-ordering a game affects me and everyone else.

[Jaja]

No because you pre-ordering a game affects me and everyone else.

His point still stands.

If I buy a VIP ticket at Disneyworld to skip queues it effects every who has to queue. Same applies to pre-ordering if I want to who are you to tell me not to.

[Eleccybubb]

No because you pre-ordering a game affects me and everyone else.

Not really. Me spending my money affects you in no way. Stop pretending it does. Again I shall spend my hard earned money how I want. Stop pretending me pre ordering this game has affected you in such a big way. It really hasn't.

I just spent £27.99 on pre ordering N Sane Trilogy. How does that affect you? How does me removing £27.99 from my bank account personally affect you?

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His point still stands.

If I buy a VIP ticket at Disneyworld to skip queues it effects every who has to queue. Same applies to pre-ordering if I want to who are you to tell me not to.

I just find it amusing how people think pre ordering is the sole reason for shoddy game development.

Yeah because games like No Man's Sky were shoddy because of pre orders right? Nothing to do with the shoddy development team which lied it's backside off through the ENTIRE development phase?

[deadman1]

His point still stands.

If I buy a VIP ticket at Disneyworld to skip queues it effects every who has to queue. Same applies to pre-ordering if I want to who are you to tell me not to.

By that logic who are you to tell me not to tell you to do something?

You realize I'm not making a law, just a well informed suggestion that benefits everyone. For the record I'm not part of the problem, but if you intentionally choose to be strap in for some criticism.

[Eleccybubb]

By that logic who are you to tell me not to tell you to do something?

You realize I'm not making a law, just a well informed suggestion that benefits everyone. For the record I'm not part of the problem, but if you intentionally choose to be strap in for some criticism.

And how is preordering a factual problem?

All I've heard in this thread is opinions of why it is. Which is fine. People are entitled to opinions be they really biased ones.

Give me a solid fact why preordering is bad and why factually it is a problem.

And also give me a solid reason how me spending £27.99 of my hard earned money has affected you personally.

[Jaylock]

No because you pre-ordering a game affects me and everyone else.

I pre-order any games that I think are going to be great games. Especially from companies like Blizzard because Blizzard is known to make AAA+ quality games.

I pre-order and will continue to pre-order all WoW Collector's editions, and ANY other Collector's edition of any new Blizzard game, regardless of reviews.

Pre-ordering games is not some bad thing like you and your groupthink comrades say it is.

Please give a compelling and VALID reason as to why someone SHOULDN'T pre-order a game that they like.

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By that logic who are you to tell me not to tell you to do something?

You realize I'm not making a law, just a well informed suggestion that benefits everyone. For the record I'm not part of the problem, but if you intentionally choose to be strap in for some criticism.

How does someone pre-ordering a game affect YOU in any way? Please do share with us.

[Eleccybubb]

I pre-order any games that I think are going to be great games. Especially from companies like Blizzard because Blizzard is known to make AAA+ quality games.

I pre-order and will continue to pre-order all WoW Collector's editions, and ANY other Collector's edition of any new Blizzard game, regardless of reviews.

Pre-ordering games is not some bad thing like you and your groupthink comrades say it is.

Please give a compelling and VALID reason as to why someone SHOULDN'T pre-order a game that they like.

Exactly.

I mean all I've heard here are opinions and people are entitled to them. But I haven't seen a single fact of why pre ordering is a problem, why it's bad or why me spending my money hurts someone else?

I mean how does my bank taking £27 out of my account for a video game hurt someone? I mean if it was their money paying for my product then sure but it's not. It's my money I worked for.

[RobertoCarlos]

Exactly.

I mean all I've heard here are opinions and people are entitled to them. But I haven't seen a single fact of why pre ordering is a problem, why it's bad or why me spending my money hurts someone else?

I mean how does my bank taking £27 out of my account for a video game hurt someone? I mean if it was their money paying for my product then sure but it's not. It's my money I worked for.

/wave hi back up Jaylock account. Enough of the pre order talk though no one really cares. Pre order isn't going anywhere so don't worry about it

[Eleccybubb]

/wave hi back up Jaylock account. Enough of the pre order talk though no one really cares. Pre order isn't going anywhere so don't worry about it

Just asking for facts. So yeah I agree. Let's drop it when nobody can provide a factual reason towards the discussion.

Also pre order discussion was bound to happen with this thread. Don't like it go report it and when we are told to stop discussing it by a Moderator we will.