30yr Black woman called cops for help, gets fatally shot in front of her kids

[Post]

And what would kill you? The throwing knife?

Someone hasn't seen the video showing how fast people with knives can get to you.

[Canpinter]

Nobody cares to mention that it was her who called the police in the first place? Obviously she was scared and confused.

Never bring a knife to a gunfight (Indiana Jones). Oh wait.

It seems very unlikely that a fragile woman even with a knife could actually seriously harm two trained police officers. It seems more like they were in a hurry to get to lunch so they didn't want to drag it out with the black woman.

Seriously. US playing world human rights police - behaving like barbarians at home. Disgusting.

yes because police training includes making your neck knife proof....

[Beazy]

Is there a possible way to disprove the notion that race was a factor? Or will this be the central focal point of any incident involving two people of different races? You should probably be cautious of making unfalsifiable claims.

Bro, this is MMOC where everything is racist if more than one race is involved in a crime.
If(distinct.race.count() > 1) { You = Racist.SackOfShit } else { ThereIs!Else }

[HumbleDuck]

Any knife can kill you, as a rough guideline (assuming things such as flat terrain and a clear path) 21 feet is the max distance a knife wielding person can cover before you can shoot a gun. So yes, she could very well kill a person with that knife. Whether she would have, we obviously won't know now.

So, what's the use of tasers then? Decorative?

[Daelak]

You dont need to be super strong to kill someone with knife.

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Go wrestle someone with a knife.Have fun.

There's two grown men versus one pregnant woman. Even if she managed to somehow have a lethal strike on one, she would still have to eliminate the other one, who's armed.

[HumbleDuck]

Someone hasn't seen the video showing how fast people with knives can get to you.

Yea, we are talking about civilians, not ninjas ...

[Chickensoup23]

Any knife can kill you, as a rough guideline (assuming things such as flat terrain and a clear path) 21 feet is the max distance a knife wielding person can cover before you can shoot a gun. So yes, she could very well kill a person with that knife. Whether she would have, we obviously won't know now.

Precisely. If you shoot once, you could have hit a spot where you haven't neutralized the target. You are taught to shoot multiple times. If the person is moving, or running, you don't know which shot will neutralize.

You don't fuck with someone brandishing a knife at you. Cops aren't MMA fighters or Navy Seals, for fucks sake. It's also irrational to think we can train every single officer, whether you are a 4'8 woman or a 6'3 man, or if you are 18 or 64, to be able to physically fight people and disarm them of non-firearm weapons.

What if the cops were women? Would it be suddenly okay to have taken life because suddenly the officers are physically incapable of tackling the victim? Does that mean that we should only accept 6'3 men in the police force so they can out-muscle a majority of the population? Should we wait until officers get killed by blunt weapons and knives before we tell them to shoot?

Seriously, what do people want them to do? Dodge her knife swings like Mayweather dodges punches? Go on liveleak and watch knife fights. If you tried to take on someone with a knife armed with nothing but a taser, you will get stabbed or cut, and it's not an acceptable risk we can ask anyone - including police officers - to take.

The officers clearly told her to move back. She did not. The proper action was taken and while I lament the loss of life, the officers took the correct action and shot until the thread was neutralized. They then attempted to keep her alive and performed CPR until the ambulance came.

[Daelak]

Why are you bringing up that she's 30 as if that would make her less dangerous? 30 isn't a fucking decrepit old bag, if anything it would mean she is as spry as can be.

Yes, against two armed grown beat police officers. Who knew they would be so vicious.

[Redroniksre]

So, what's the use of tasers then? Decorative?

Tasers can work, but it is a one shot deal. Not to mention they can be obstructed by clothing (and thus not even work) or if the person is high on certain drugs it can even make them immune to it.

Yea, we are talking about civilians, not ninjas ...

Can't run? It isn't hard to cover distance, especially if you are stressed or angry.

[Tennis]

Is there a possible way to disprove the notion that race was a factor? Or will this be the central focal point of any incident involving two people of different races? You should probably be cautious of making unfalsifiable claims.

Have you not seen the disproportionate number of black individuals being gunned down by the police. Most decent people who aren't racists will be concerned about it.

[Dorfadin]

Don't police in america have batons like in normal countries, could of hit the woman on the arm and made her drop the knife...

[Post]

Yea, we are talking about civilians, not ninjas ...

Yes, I am also talking about civilians.

[Canpinter]

Yea, we are talking about civilians, not ninjas ...

it doesn't take ninja skills to run and stab someone in the neck

[KrazyK923]

I'm sure that they'll find nothing wrong occurred when they review themselves.

[Canpinter]

Don't police in america have batons like in normal countries, could of hit the woman on the arm and made her drop the knife...

or it doesn't work and she stabs you in the face because now your close.

[Templar 331]

And why is that?

Let's play out the scenario. You arrive to the apartment where a crazed woman wielding a knife is frantic. You tell her to drop the knife. She refuses. Do you shoot her now? No because she is not a threat. She keeps refusing to drop the knife. Do risk disarming her or keep telling her to drop the knife while pointing a gun at her? The safer bet for you would be option two. She then comes at you (I'm not saying this happened, just moving the scenario along). Where do you shoot? We already know she's a skinny woman that's moving at you so shooting at her arms or legs would be incredibly difficult since they are moving. Shooting at the center of her chest would give you the best chance of hitting something and most of your vital organs are stored there. Any shot you miss is one less bullet that hits your target. You don't know how many bullets it will take to stop someone so you need everyone to hit. That is also why you empty your clip into your target.

[Orange Joe]

I only hope that anyone in here saying the officer did right, CAn have one of their family members shot in this manner.


How much you want to bet they would change their mind on police use of force..

[Daelak]

Apparently the second cop should have been able to subdue her while she stabbed the first, since there were two of them.

Unless she split her one knife into two in Wrynn fashion and simultaneously throwing both knives into the throats of the helpless, defenseless beat cops.

[Kraenen]

Have you not seen the disproportionate number of black individuals being gunned down by the police. Most decent people who aren't racists will be concerned about it.

Have you ever noticed women are disproportionately avoided (or men are disproportionately shot more)? In fact the gender disparity is much much greater than the race disparity. Yet you wouldn't really get up in arms about that, and it kind of throws a wrench into your opinion on this case.

[dcschess05]

They are certainly low enough on the threat assessment level that two fucking police officers should have been able to handle the situation without gunning her down.

You underestimate the threat of a human armed with a knife.