30yr Black woman called cops for help, gets fatally shot in front of her kids

[Tiberveil]

He was being polite. If you people weren't so insular you'd understand that.

We are superior because police don't shoot our people on a regular basis. It is that simple. You are disgustingly backward and violent.

What is actually hilarious about this is that where you are from it is the exact same thing. That's called being human. You state I'm being insular but I guess that is just the pot calling the kettle black.

[Canpinter]

Do you have experience with crazed people with knives? "All they had to do" is meaningless since you aren't the one there. You aren't the one with your life on the line. You keep bringing up that there are two of them, what difference does that make? Even if she only attacks one SHE'S STILL ATTACKING ONE OF THEM WITH A KNIFE AND AT THAT POINT THE OFFICER HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND HIS LIFE WITH DEADLY FORCE. What part of that do you not understand?

he thinks that in the time between when she goes after one cop with the knife and the time she actually stabs him the second cops should be able to react, cross the distance and pin he weapon and subdue her safely without any risk.

[Better]

There is just too many racist trolls posting in this thread...

But yes it was racism from the cops. Simple fact is that they'll be taking their sweet time dis-arming some white boy with a katana, machete, etc, but will shoot an african american after a count of 3 every time.

Oh I'm sorry Mr.witness, you should really talk to both the authorities, and news to give them a full first hand account of what happened. Because you clearly were there in person, and didn't just read a vague article about what happened on the internet.

The information, as anybody in this thread has it:
There were two officers, both of which discharged their service weapons, fatally wounding the Woman.
The woman, at some point was armed with a Knife.
The woman had called to report an attempted burglary.
The woman, was 30 years old, pregnant, and African American.
The woman had previous run-ins with the police, and had "Hazard information" on record.
The woman reportedly had mental health issues.
The shooting took place on the 4th floor of the apartment building sometime after 10 am on Sunday.
Three children were present at the scene.

Now as far as I can tell, there's no way to make a moral judgement, seeing as we have no idea how the shooting played out.

[Polyxo]

If she were anything but black or this were any first world country besides the US, this wouldn't have resulted in her being shot.

[Atrea]

If the police shot you in Seattle, it's probably your fault.

Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you.

Read the fucking article.

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[Elbob]

She charges one, the other officer can subdue her to the ground since her back is facing him without any stabbing or killing blow.

They were in an apartment... chances of them having "surrounded" her is quite slim. The officers probably entered the residence with weapons drawn or holsters open seeing as they were possibly being called to an ACTIVE crime scene. Apartments are not large(usually) so distance between officers and the woman was probably < 20ft. We don't know how she was acting at the time but it was reported she had mental issues and was holding a knife. If she came at them aggressively after being told to drop the weapon at that kind of range where there is no way for them to switch to another tool/weapon to subdue her... yeah she got shot. If she doesn't identify herself they don't even know if she isnt armed robber or some one that lives at the residence.

If the officers were not actually at risk I hope they do get punished but there is so much we don't know from some biased Tennis article it's impossible to know how it played out. People keep saying she was a small women but no metrics as to her weight OR height??? They say pregnant but was she obviously pregnant or like < 4months and possibly not showing at all due to size/clothes? Bad police shootings happen for sure but until proper evidence is given stop assuming either party was in the wrong.

[Canpinter]

If she were anything but black or this were any first world country besides the US, this wouldn't have resulted in her being shot.

because no white people with knifes or no one in any other western nation nation ever gets shot by cops.

[sweatshopkids]

The police need to gun down a pregnant woman because she's holding a knife?

Honestly the answer is yes. She's holding a weapon. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon. At that point, she's threatening their lives and they don't know what she's capable of with that knife.

If someone has a weapon and can kill you with it, are you going to stop them completely or see how you can subdue them with there still being a chance of them killing you?

[Heladys]

Honestly the answer is yes. She's holding a weapon. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon. At that point, she's threatening their lives and they don't know what she's capable of with that knife.

Holding a knife isn't a legitimate threat in and of itself, nor is not dropping it upon command.

If she's lunging at them with a knife, then sure pull the trigger with my compliments. Until then use your fucking head and tase her. There's never just one cop there, one can keep a gun drawn on her in case she attacks while the other hits her with the taser. If the taser doesn't work and she lunges, blow her into her next life, with my compliments.

[Nurasu]

If the police shot you in Seattle, it's probably your fault.

Hah!! That must be why they've been under federal oversight for excessive force for several years.

[Elbob]

If she were anything but black or this were any first world country besides the US, this wouldn't have resulted in her being shot.

citation needed? I would give you the benefit of the doubt if white people never got shot by police.... but they do

[Kraenen]

If she were anything but black or this were any first world country besides the US, this wouldn't have resulted in her being shot.

This is the same as saying white people don't ever get shot

[sweatshopkids]

Fuck you. Seriously, fuck you.

Read the fucking article.

He's right you know.

[Daelak]

And then they are racist brutes for pushing or grabbing a pregnant black woman. Evil pigs.

Finally you are seeing the black light.

[Tikaru]

Honestly the answer is yes. She's holding a weapon. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon. At that point, she's threatening their lives and they don't know what she's capable of with that knife.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN19717R

If only there were non-leathal means to deal with someone wielding a knife...

http://billingsgazette.com/news/loca...f7c852bd5.html

Some kind of, I don't know...

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...eet_by_police/

...device that could somehow stop someone without killing them...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3544741.html

...with traditional firearms.

Oh well...

[justandulas]

Those who want respect, give respect.

If a police officer asks you to do something... you slowly and calmly do it. No questions ask. If they ask you to lay down, do it. If they ask you to do jumping jacks, do it. In today's environment of law enforcement, why take chances? The police are more under fire and pressure every day, so why give them any excuse to feel threatened?

Be polite, and give the officer the "yes sir, yes ma'am" treatment and guess what? You'll be fine. Doesn't matter what race, size, or sex you are... if you treat the officers with respect and authority, they'll respond in kind.

[Polyxo]

because no white people with knifes or no one in any other western nation nation ever gets shot by cops.

Generally, no. There are two problems here:

1. In the US, (and sometimes otherwise), police generally give 0 fucks about the safety of any black people, suspects or otherwise in doing. If you're black and something's 'amiss', there's a good chance you're getting shot, just to be sure. The likelihood of this happening decreases with 'closeness to being white'.

2. In the US, cops feel the need to 'win' instantly, no matter what. In other countries, protocol generally dictates that police wait a person out, calm them down, retreat and sit back, making sure other people aren't approaching. Situations like this happen all the time in other first world countries without lethal force ever being threatened, let alone being used.

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Those who want respect, give respect.

If a police officer asks you to do something... you slowly and calmly do it. No questions ask. If they ask you to lay down, do it. If they ask you to do jumping jacks, do it. In today's environment of law enforcement, why take chances? The police are more under fire and pressure every day, so why give them any excuse to feel threatened?

Be polite, and give the officer the "yes sir, yes ma'am" treatment and guess what? You'll be fine. Doesn't matter what race, size, or sex you are... if you treat the officers with respect and authority, they'll respond in kind.

Hahaha, that's not the way things work.

[Daelak]

your faith in the cops speed and reaction time is rather amazing

This isn't some samurai here, and judging by her residence and income level, the blade was probably dull and worn. Let her make a slash or a stab, dodge it, it gets stuck in the wall. Game over.

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Do you have experience with crazed people with knives? "All they had to do" is meaningless since you aren't the one there. You aren't the one with your life on the line. You keep bringing up that there are two of them, what difference does that make? Even if she only attacks one SHE'S STILL ATTACKING ONE OF THEM WITH A KNIFE AND AT THAT POINT THE OFFICER HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND HIS LIFE WITH DEADLY FORCE. What part of that do you not understand?

He doesn't if he knows his partner will be there to take her down.

[lonely zergling]

Why did she hold a weapon in her hand when police showed up to help her?

[Daelak]

Changed your hypothetical a bit with the bold. See how easy it was?

If she suddenly pivots, the cop that was being charged can subdue her. This is exactly why they go in pairs.