30yr Black woman called cops for help, gets fatally shot in front of her kids

[Ghostpanther]

No, not really. Cops don't usually arrest people for fighting in a bar as long as they haven't destroyed property, haven't hurt anyone else, and both break it up without the cop needing to interfere.

Haven't you ever been in a bar fight?

Hehe. I have. The guy who attacked me got thrown out of the bar not by the police, but the bar bouncers. A real jerk loser.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Wow, you really have no penis don't you?

Two trained police officers should be more than capable of disarming a small woman without any kind of weapon at all.
Let alone a lethal firearm. There were kids present. Those idiots should be prosecuted for manslaughter.

There training was to shoot her American police are not trained to deal with knifes or the mentally ill they follow e there training to a t. I don't think they should be charged I do think they need better training.

[Scathbais]

Finnish police are indeed armed, but in the ENTIRE year of 2013 (latest year that Wikipedia shows, yes I'm being lazy) they fired 6 rounds, had zero deaths due to firearm use, and wounded 4 people. Out of a total of 27 times that firearms were used in any capacity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police...ountry#Finland

The point being, if other police forces can do it... why can't the US? Just to put that into even more contrast, the US doesn't even RECORD that kind of information. So all anyone has is media attention to go on.

Gee, who would have thought that a sparsely populated, ethnically homogeneous country would have low crime?

[Baelic]

Gee, who would have thought that a sparsely populated, ethnically homogeneous country would have low crime?

Also Socialist

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Waah waah waah I was criticized for speaking up for the state assassination of a tiny black woman. I'M BEING REPRESSED!

You know what is worse than being tongue-lashed by an Englishman? Fatally shot.

It was no where near an assassination.

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Gee, who would have thought that a sparsely populated, ethnically homogeneous country would have low crime?

Large parts of the US are ethnically homogenous and sparsely populated, they still have much gun homicide rates than Finland.

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It was no where near an assassination.

Not in the sense of being pre-planned. But I get the feeling the officers in question really wanted to kill someone and got their opportunity.

It does not make any sense to me that firearms be discharged to neutralize a threat in the presence of children.

[zenkai]

Wow, you really have no penis don't you?
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How did you know! It was a freak accident involving a jar of mayo and a shop vac *runs into a corner and cries*. You're so mean

[cubby]

Waah waah waah I was criticized for speaking up for the state assassination of a tiny black woman. I'M BEING REPRESSED!

You know what is worse than being tongue-lashed by an Englishman? Fatally shot.

But you're lying. You actually know the facts and you're deliberately misrepresenting them. Is that fun for you?

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There training was to shoot her American police are not trained to deal with knifes or the mentally ill they follow e there training to a t. I don't think they should be charged I do think they need better training.

You couldn't be more wrong about their training.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Large parts of the US are ethnically homogenous and sparsely populated, they still have much gun homicide rates than Finland.

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Not in the sense of being pre-planned. But I get the feeling the officers in question really wanted to kill someone and got their opportunity.

It does not make any sense to me that firearms be discharged to neutralize a threat in the presence of children.

Why would you think they really wanted to shoot her, they went in talked to her for a while then wanted to tase her and call for back up when she got agrssive and proformed cpr after the shooting. They showed all the signs of some one who really didn't want to shoot her.

[Dyluck]

Listening to the released audio recording, i am surprised that people are blaming the cops and calling them trigger happy. They actually wanted to use a non-lethal method first (taze her), but were unable to do so because they (or at least one of them) did not have the equipment on them. Sure there are plenty of cases of trigger happy cops, but i don't really think this is one.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But you're lying. You actually know the facts and you're deliberately misrepresenting them. Is that fun for you?

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You couldn't be more wrong about their training.

So are they trained to deal with people with guns like the Brits? Or to deal with the mentally ill proporly? American police dog seem to be unless 90% just ignore there training.

[Ghostpanther]

I'm Canadian with a Finnish heritage, so I'm relying on my google-fu for this.

Overall Crime (currently find anything else that was recent and easily verifiable, so treat as you wish): https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

Homicides (wikipedia with data taken from the UN): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

Both indexes have Finland far below the US on a per-capita basis.

As for firearm ownership... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estima...ita_by_country

Finland has one-third (roughly) per-capita of the US, which outstrips any singular Country anyway on ownsership (literally more than one firearm per person on average)

Population of Finland is roughly 5.5 Million



No I have not.

Thanks for the nice reply and links.

So Finland has a very low crime rate and not really a problem such as the US with drugs/gang related high crime rate. You take out those as a major issue and dis guard the cities which are the most involved in such, you would be surprised what the US crime rate would be. We are a very large country with different culture issues than Europe faces for the most part.

And as far as firearms go, Finland does not have a Second Amendment to their Constitution guaranteeing the citizens the right to keep and bare arms. So it is easier for them to have more strict gun control. But even there, they understand the logic of police officers needing firearms for self protection.

It is not accurate to compare large areas to each other unless those areas are also almost identical in important factors. One reason we can not compare China to the US even if both had the same population. Different cultures and governments.

[cubby]

So are they trained to deal with people with guns like the Brits? Or to deal with the mentally ill proporly? American police dog seem to be unless 90% just ignore there training.

United States police officers who go through academy training are thoroughly trained to deal with armed people (guns, knives, etc). In this case, we are talking about Seattle Police Officers, and so they received excellent training.

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Listening to the released audio recording, i am surprised that people are blaming the cops and calling them trigger happy. They actually wanted to use a non-lethal method first (taze her), but were unable to do so because they (or at least one of them) did not have the equipment on them. Sure there are plenty of cases of trigger happy cops, but i don't really think this is one.

Exactly. And well said. People need to get all the information instead of shooting from the hip and assuming things that didn't happen.

[tyrindor]

A knife is considered a lethal weapon, same as a gun. Tasers do not always stop a lethal threat immediately, and some people can resist them, which can result in a cop getting stabbed or shot. Generally speaking, lethal threat is countered with lethal force, size of the person does not matter.

It also doesn't matter if you called the cops or not, if you threaten a cop with a lethal weapon, you deserve to be shot. She clearly had serious mental health issues which is why they mentioned her mental condition.

[Guyviroth]

Once again pussy US cops prove that without a gun, they're worthless.

[VooDsXo]

The police need to gun down a pregnant woman because she's holding a knife?

You're right, they should've used their knives and had a 1 v 1 knife fight with her, and if 1 dies, the other steps in, because thats how we do things! I mean, when the hell would a police officer not use his duty blade in a fair 1 v 1?? It is 0017 a.d. right?

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You're right, they should've used their knives and had a 1 v 1 knife fight with her, and if 1 dies, the other steps in, because thats how we do things! I mean, when the hell would a police officer not use his duty blade in a fair 1 v 1?? It is 0017 a.d. right?

OK, I cannot actually believe I need to say this...

What part of tiny woman are you not getting here?

Two police officers should be capable of disarming a small woman.

Discharging a firearm is not only massive overkill, it results in increased danger to the children.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

United States police officers who go through academy training are thoroughly trained to deal with armed people (guns, knives, etc). In this case, we are talking about Seattle Police Officers, and so they received excellent training.

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Exactly. And well said. People need to get all the information instead of shooting from the hip and assuming things that didn't happen.

Excellent by who's standers compared to the brits they Do horrible when it comes to dealing with knifes and disarming people and compared to Canadian they seem to do really bad with the mentally ill to.

[Deleted]

They actually wanted to use a non-lethal method first (taze her), but were unable to do so because they (or at least one of them) did not have the equipment on them.

I'm really blown away by the professionalism of people who forget their equipment.

At least they got the right house or we'd be looking at a bloodbath.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I'm really blown away by the professionalism of people who forget their equipment.

At least they got the right house or we'd be looking at a bloodbath.

They didn't forget any thing they were only aloud to take pepper spray a tazer or a baton id guess they both choose the baton.