Another attack in Europe

[Captain Proton]

The amount of non terrorists is greater than the amount of terrorists in these migration waves.
There's another one for you.

Is this supposed to be some "gotcha" post or something? No shit. Extremists are outnumbered by the majority of normal believers. Brilliant observation. What is important is the number of terrorists who actually made it over, and the number of people who can be recruited by these extremists, whether they are already European citizens or immigrants.

[Miyagie]

Good thing then that in Germany the crimes that only foreigners can commit are excluded in every statstic.

https://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/a...-Deutsche.html

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/f...aten-1.3315641

You find this articels on near every bigger newsite and you are realy telling me they all lie ?^^

[Daneman]

The most prosperous countries on this planet are the most "colorful" ones.

False, Sweden, Norway and Denmark were excellent countries to live in long before people started mass migrating here. We built the countries before they came, they're just coming in to leech off our success, they didn't create it. Up until 20-30 years ago there were barely any non-white people here.

Immigration and multiculturalism will be Swedens downfall, contrary to your opinion that multicultural societies are the most prosperous. They've fallen so far after they started their insane policies.

[JohnBrown1917]

I didn't know the Berlin attacker was born in Germany.

Where did their parents and grandparents come from? The same countries that the newly arrived terrorists come from.

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Where did their parents and grandparents come from?

Since when was the Berlin attacker German?

Here is another fact: The Paris attackers used the open borders in 2015/2016

How did they use the current wave?

[Mifuyne]

Nothing. But he then comitted a crime in that country and not in Germany.

If we talk as if outside sources of the initial subject of discussion are non-existing, then yes, you are correct.
It's easy to win arguments by neglecting all sources outside of the box you are focussing on tho.

Do I like mass immigration? No, I find it problematic in it's current form.

Immigration and multiculturalism will be Swedens downfall, contrary to your opinion that multicultural societies are the most prosperous. They've fallen so far after they started their insane policies.

Where-as single-cultural states have been more succesful?
It's certainly a factor and can grow up to be the de-facto thing that destroys a country but neither sides trump the other.

[Slant]

Anis Amri was not born here, or even raised. IIRC, the Bataclan shooters were not either, but feel free to correct me on that one.

I'm not riding the wave, but the usual "homegrown terrorist" escape isn't fully valid either.

It's valid enough to call BS on Baikalsan's attempt to incite hatred against all Muslims and Refugees.

[StayTuned]

https://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/a...-Deutsche.html

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/f...aten-1.3315641

You find this articels on near every bigger newsite and you are realy telling me they all lie ?^^

You will not solve emotional problems with objective observations. Feels are more important than numbers.

Have you people not learned a damn thing since Brexit and Trump?

It's is so intelectialy dishonest whenever I see news outlets post shit like "refugees commit less crimes on average than regular citizens". Because that shit doesn't fucking matter when all media does is to report on crimes committed by refugees (because that shit sells like hot choc) and all terror acts on European soil were committed by extremist Muslims. It's sick to see that the last London attack on Muslims is now cheered on in some places/by some people as a great revenge attack. Like, fuck my life from the front and behind, that level of hypocrisy is literally damaging by brain cells.

If we want to solve this problem, we need to address it with a mixture of cultural education (which sadly goes very, very slowly) and money thrown at improving our safety infrastructure.

[Miyagie]

If we talk as if outside sources of the initial subject of discussion are non-existing, then yes, you are correct.
It's easy to win arguments by neglecting all sources outside of the box you are focussing on tho.

Do I like mass immigration? No, I find it problematic in it's current form.

Mass Immigration dont exist no free country in the world can take 1 million people at once and integrate them.

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https://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/a...-Deutsche.html

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/f...aten-1.3315641

You find this articels on near every bigger newsite and you are realy telling me they all lie ?^^

That guy played a nice statistic trick to play with the numbers. And those articles are older as well. Did you know that they excluded Cologne from the statistics? Interesting eh?

Check out one of the most left leaning newssite in Germany:

http://www.zeit.de/2017/17/kriminali...aten-statistik

1. Die Gewaltkriminalität nimmt wieder zu. Und das liegt vor allem an den Taten von Zuwanderern

Zwischen 2007 und 2015 sank die allgemeine Gewaltkriminalität in Deutschland. Seit 2015 jedoch steigt sie in den meisten Bundesländern wieder. Das gilt vor allem für Körperverletzungsdelikte und mit Einschränkung auch für Raub und für die ebenfalls zur Gewaltkriminalität zählenden Straftaten gegen die sexuelle Selbstbestimmung. 14 von 16 Bundesländern haben der ZEIT übereinstimmend gemeldet: Ohne die Straftaten von tatverdächtigen Zuwanderern wäre die Gewaltkriminalität 2016 entweder weiter gesunken oder zumindest nicht gestiegen.

Violent crime is on a rise thanks to refugees.

[Mifuyne]

Mass Immigration dont exist no free country in the world can take 1 million people at once and integrate them.

My apologies, remove the "mass".

[Daneman]

Where-as single-cultural states have been more succesful?

Sweden was better to live in before they engaged in these insane policies they have now, they were largely monocultural and largely homogeneous in population, with the biggest group of foreigners being finns up until 30 years ago, they used to practice assimilation when immigrants came there too. Denmark luckily hasn't fallen that far although we have politicians who would surely take us there too if they would face no opposition.

The nordic countries built our success long before immigrants started flocking here, we were monocultural, we were homogenous. We built our countries. Not immigrants.

[Deleted]

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...d_6157782.html

Crimerate going up by 30% reported by federal police.

[Mifuyne]

Is this supposed to be some "gotcha" post or something? No shit. Extremists are outnumbered by the majority of normal believers. Brilliant observation. What is important is the number of terrorists who actually made it over, and the number of people who can be recruited by these extremists, whether they are already European citizens or immigrants.

I think it just flew over your head.

Sweden was better to live in before they engaged in these insane policies they have now, they were largely monocultural and largely homogeneous in population, with most foreigners being finns up until 30 years ago, they used to practice assimilation when immigrants came there too. Denmark luckily hasn't fallen that far although we have politicians who would surely take us there too if they would face no opposition.

Now turn it upside down where-as some place like where these immigrants are coming from is more modern than Sweden.

[Daneman]

Now turn it upside down where-as some place like where these immigrants are coming from is more modern than Sweden.

Rofl, what countries that they come from are more modern than Sweden?

[Mifuyne]

Rofl, what countries that they arrive from are more modern than Sweden?

If you read you should know what to do to form such a image.

[Miyagie]

That guy played a nice statistic trick to play with the numbers. And those articles are older as well. Did you know that they excluded Cologne from the statistics? Interesting eh?

Check out one of the most left leaning newssite in Germany:

http://www.zeit.de/2017/17/kriminali...aten-statistik



Violent crime is on a rise thanks to refugees.

4. Syrer, Iraker und Afghanen werden im Vergleich zu anderen Nationalitäten seltener straffällig
Etwa die Hälfte der Zuwanderer sind Syrer, Iraker und Afghanen. Deshalb tauchen sie – bezogen auf alle Straftaten und nicht nur auf Gewaltdelikte – in der Kriminalitätsstatistik besonders häufig auf: In Baden-Württemberg liegen zum Beispiel straffällige Syrer mit 4.053 Tatverdächtigen klar vor Gambiern (2.346) und Afghanen (1.943). In Hamburg stehen Afghanen deutlich an erster Stelle, gefolgt von Syrern und Iranern. In Bayern bilden Syrer die Spitze, dann kommen Afghanen, Iraker und Nigerianer.

Doch diese absoluten Zahlen, sosehr sie auch beunruhigen mögen, sind nur bedingt aussagekräftig. Man muss sie ins Verhältnis zur Gesamtzahl der Zuwanderer aus dem jeweiligen Herkunftsland setzen, dann relativieren sie sich. Im Ergebnis bilanzieren fast alle Bundesländer: Flüchtlinge und Asylbewerber aus Syrien, Afghanistan und dem Irak werden seltener straffällig als solche aus anderen Herkunftsländern. Gemessen an ihren viel kleineren Gesamtzahlen geraten Zuwanderer aus den nordafrikanischen Maghreb-Staaten und aus einer Reihe von afrikanischen Staaten südlich der Sahara weit häufiger mit dem Gesetz in Konflikt.

3. Einige wenige junge Intensivtäter treiben die Statistik nach oben

Some few do alot crimes and most are peaceful learn to read. Also most crimes committed by refugees happen not in our streets they happen in the shelters.

[Daneman]

If you read you should know what to do to form such a image.

What the fuck are you even talking about now?

[StayTuned]

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...d_6157782.html

Crimerate going up by 30% reported by federal police.

Nice selective reasoning

Der größte Zuwachs wurde allerdings mit 151,6 Prozent bei den Straftaten gegen das Aufenthalts- und Asylverfahrensgesetz sowie das Freizügigkeitsgesetz der EU verzeichnet. Insgesamt sind das 171.477 Fälle.

When you count illegal immigration as a crime in your statistics, fucking obviously would a wave of immigrants cause a drastic increase in your total crimes committed. Their literal presence is a crime in itself if they are subject to illegal immigration.

[Mifuyne]

What the fuck are you even talking about now?

Switch the names of the countries.

[stomination]

I wonder that people create threads for this, but not for this.

Two reasons

1. You don't seem to notice them
2. Most gun threads get deleted and told to go to the mega thread.