[Spoilers] KJ fight and Argus speculation

[Deleted]

Draenor happened before Hyjal in the timeline. So the moment he died on Draenor, the Hyjal encounter got erased from history and has therefore never happened.

You are banned, but I have to answer this with "You aren't thinking in 4D". Draenor happened before Hyjal in the timeline, but time is meaningless inside the Twisting Nether.

[WolfRider]

I have a question because I don't know what happens in the ToS raid: Do we use the Pillars of Creation to shutdown the fel storm?

[FelPlague]

Archimonde's death erased it all from history. You're a retard seeing as you are denying the obvious.

Infracted.

so all of warcraft 3 where medivh gathered the races of azeroth to fight the incoming archimonde
the attack of mount hyjal
all of world of warcraft

has been changed because the whole of warcraft 3 bassicly didnt happen


you do realize the attack on mount hyjal is a SUPER HUGE pinicle in wow, and if it was "undone" the lore would be compeltly different right?

[TheFirstOnes]

Archimonde's death erased it all from history. You're a retard seeing as you are denying the obvious.

Infracted.

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*Slams head on desk*

[CostinR]

Illidan you bloody troll.

[3DTyrant]

That's just undermining the villains even more.
I would like if it's more like a suicide mission, when we enter Argus we be like "What the hell were we thinking, I wanna go home ".

Ion said he wants it to be like Mass Effect 2 suicide mission, I think that would be really appropriate. Expecting that not all of the characters will return home alive from Argus etc etc.

Can we fire Thrall to Argus? Face first... from a cannon...

[Magnagarde]

so all of warcraft 3 where medivh gathered the races of azeroth to fight the incoming archimonde
the attack of mount hyjal
all of world of warcraft

has been changed because the whole of warcraft 3 bassicly didnt happen


you do realize the attack on mount hyjal is a SUPER HUGE pinicle in wow, and if it was "undone" the lore would be compeltly different right?

It was undone in the AU. This could cause unpredictable changes in the AU Azeroth that is within the same universe as Draenor.

[Radaney]

Uhh no the archimond ethat died on draenor is the same as the one in mount hyjal. They already confirmed that. The legion transcends the multiverses

Seeing as how we went also went back in time in WoD, how can Archimonde be at the World Tree in Warcraft 3 which chronologically happened after the orcs invaded Azeroth (where the story of WoD takes place) if we killed him before this event happened in Warcraft 1.

If Archimonde ( Kil'jaeden etc, and any demon really) can still travel around in time and space to parts of the future after their chronological death this basically means he is Immortal and can appear 5 expansions later.

Which basically means the Warcraft story as a whole and this expansion are a complete waste of time.

[FelPlague]

Seeing as how we went also went back in time in WoD, how can Archimonde be at the World Tree in Warcraft 3 which chronologically happened after the orcs invaded Azeroth if we killed him before this event happened.

the twisting nether trancends reality, it follow the main reality (the one we play in is the main timeline) so he is summoned after in our timeline, he is summoned after pandaria, as their time follows the main timeline, not the alternates

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It was undone in the AU. This could cause unpredictable changes in the AU Azeroth that is within the same universe as Draenor.

yes but that azeroth does not matter, that draenor never connecting to its azeroth allready changes it an insane amount, but that azeroth does not matter to us

[Magnagarde]

Seeing as how we went also went back in time in WoD, how can Archimonde be at the World Tree in Warcraft 3 which chronologically happened after the orcs invaded Azeroth if we killed him before this event happened.

Think of it this way; what we see as two different universes, Archimonde sees as one because only one version of Archimonde exists through all universes.

This also possibly means that only our timeline is affected by the battle of Mt. Hyjal and had it unfold.

[Deleted]

funny enough thats the slightest concern with the portal connecting RIGHT TO THE LEGIONS HEADQUARTERS.

at this point its either zergrush Argus and blow it up, or the demons reorganize fast enough from KJs death and decide to literally come raining down on the whole of Azeroth.

the Tomb was a bottleneck through which the demons came in.

this now is instead a ocean in comparision.

Well tbh HQ doesn't mean much if there's no demon lord in charge, by the looks of the pre ToS trailer, it seemed like Sargeras wasn't really good at being in charge either, the problem with the Burning Legion has always been their coordination and no capability of being precise in their attacks, they only seem to count on their numbers and hope to flood the planet with demons until Sargeras comes out swinging his sword.

If Sargeras is truly stuck in the Nether, that means the Legion's home-base is vulnerable for an invasion because it's essentially leaderless. However it really depends on where Sargeras is and what form Sargeras is, is he perhaps physical, or could he be a spirit like form?

[Radaney]

Think of it this way; what we see as two different universes, Archimonde sees as one because only one version of Archimonde exists through all universes.

But Archimonde still chronologically died before he assaulted the World Tree in Warcraft 3 as we basically just killed him in Warcraft 1 seeing as how we still went back in time in Warlords of Draenor, the alternate universe is irrelevant because we still went back in time. This means Archimonde can appear in the future even after his Chronological Death and this effectively makes all Demons immortal and they could all attack us again in 5 expansions time from their own past even after we have killed them.

Which makes the Warcraft story practically pointless.

This is why writers shouldn't use time travel.

[Deleted]

Seeing as how we went also went back in time in WoD, how can Archimonde be at the World Tree in Warcraft 3 which chronologically happened after the orcs invaded Azeroth (where the story of WoD takes place) if we killed him before this event happened in Warcraft 1.

If Archimonde ( Kil'jaeden etc, and any demon really) can still travel around in time and space to parts of the future after their chronological death this basically means he is Immortal and can appear 5 expansions later.

Which basically means the Warcraft story as a whole and this expansion are a complete waste of time.

Because behind the theory of a multiverse, the copies aren't necessarily identical in terms of events, destiny and the path of the individuals.

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But Archimonde still chronologically died before he assaulted the World Tree in Warcraft 3 as we killed him basically just killed him in Warcraft 1 seeing as how we still went back in time in Warlords of Draenor, the alternate universe is irrelevant because we still went back in time. This means Archimonde can appear in the future of his Chronological Death and effectively makes all Demons immortal and they could all attack us again in 5 expansions time from their past.

Which makes the Warcraft story practically pointless.

There's a reason it's an alternative timeline, it doesn't mean that it happened in the current time line that it happened in the alternative one.

Even if they are tied, they can still be completely different of each other.

[Magnagarde]

yes but that azeroth does not matter, that draenor never connecting to its azeroth allready changes it an insane amount, but that azeroth does not matter to us

There is only one possibility here then; only the Azeroth of our universe had Mt. Hyjal unfold because Archimonde can only be at one at place at the same time. On top of this, there can't be countless titan souls within countless Azeroth's within countless timelines.

That Azeroth could start to matter as soon as someone timetravels from it towards our universe.

[FelPlague]

There are only one possibility here then; only the Azeroth of our universe had Mt. Hyjal unfold because Archimonde can only be at one at place at the same time. On top of this, there can't be countless titan souls within countless Azeroth's within countless timelines.

That Azeroth could start to matter as soon as someone timetravels from it towards our universe.

correct, this azeroth is the only one that matters

[Radaney]

Because behind the theory of a multiverse, the copies aren't necessarily identical in terms of events, destiny and the path of the individuals.

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There's a reason it's an alternative timeline, it doesn't mean that it happened in the current time line that it happened in the alternative one.

Even if they are tied, they can still be completely different of each other.

This isn't true if there's only one Archimonde that trancends all universes as this mean Archimonde can only be in one place at one time and also only has 1 life.

The fact we went back in time means that Archimonde hadn't been to the World Tree yet, and we just killed him in alternate Warcraft 1 meaning he could not possibly go to our Warcraft 3 as he'd of been dead. Unless Archimonde can travel to the future prior to his death to affect our Warcraft 3 before he died in alternate Warcraft 1.

If Archimonde can travel to the future then his death and the deaths of all demons are meaningless and thus the story of Warcraft is meaningless.

The same also applies to Mannoroth.

GJ Blizzard.

[Skayth]

Can Maiev just kill Illidan now?

what for? He used the Sargerite Keystone to save everyone that will bring about the legions downfall. Did it force open a portal to Argus? Yes, but its better than the alternative, where the most powerful people of Azeroth are all killed by an exploding shi, and noone is left to stop the legion from returning and crushing the left overs. WE HAVE THE ARTIFACTS. We have all the power. Literally, we did everything. Azeroth is gonna flop over and die to the legion if it wasnt for us. Could we have teleported to Argus? Sure, but we would be outmanned and we are technically at this point tired. Retreat and regroup was the best option. Then also Illidan has also seen the vision given to him by the naru. Kadgar is worried for nothing. Nixxiom will show him.

[lightofdawn]

FINALLY someone else who wants to see the wod people join us on argus. Thought I was alone in that regard.

[Dartz1979]

What i wanna know is how and where did khadgar gain the ability to transwarp/make a location appear instantly.

[iamthedevil]

What i wanna know is how and where did khadgar gain the ability to transwarp/make a location appear instantly.

Mass teleport? Jaina does it as well.