What's wrong with Canada's healthcare system?

[minteK917]

Dude, it's beyond pointless to argue anything with an obviously brainwashed guy who seriously would've liked to live his life somewhere in USSR or Venezuela.

You sound like some college kid that read rand for the first time lmao. Youll grow out of it. Considering Rand was a leech anyway.

[LaplaceNoMa]

You sound like some college kid that read rand for the first time lmao. Youll grow out of it. Considering Rand was a leech anyway.

Nah, I sound like someone who both grew up from the communist/socialist fairy tales about 'free stuff', and also lived half my life in a socialist hell known as USSR. While you and Endus sound like 'college kid' who got involved in some 'real marxism has never been tried' campus sect. Well, to be honest, what Endus says and does is so unbelievably out-of-this-universe, that I prefer to believe that he's a CTR shill.

[LedZeppelin]

You sound like some college kid that read rand for the first time lmao. Youll grow out of it. Considering Rand was a leech anyway.

Yeah she collected from a system she paid into. The horror.

[Jakexe]

Oh boy, the sweet butthurt leftist fallacy rain.

Thank you, fellas, for Correcting the Record™.

What fallacy? Just pointing out that you place value in the opinion of a massive hypocrite,

lol, I must be a leftist if I disagree with you. That's a fallacy. But then again, you have no problem with hypocrisy it seems.

[LaplaceNoMa]

To the end user, yes.

So, in your opinion, the end user won't suffer from the consequences of government regulating the free market in order to provide him with that 'free stuff'? Cool thing, I need to let all the USSR elderly and the starving people in Venezuela know that!

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What fallacy? Just pointing out that you place value in the opinion of a massive hypocrite,

lol, I must be a leftist if I disagree with you. That's a fallacy. But then again, you have no problem with hypocrisy it seems.

Google what 'ad hominem' is and then come back. I ensure you, it won't be as hard for your brain to process that information as Atlas Shrugged was for you. Googling is almost as brain-dead as reading Marx.

[Jakexe]

So, in your opinion, the end user won't suffer from the consequences of government regulating the free market in order to provide him with that 'free stuff'? Cool thing, I need to let all the USSR elderly and the starving people in Venezuela know that!

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Google what 'ad hominem' is and then come back. I ensure you, it won't be as hard for your brain to process that information as Atlas Shrugged was for you. Googling is almost as brain-dead as reading Marx.

See that attack on my intelligence, that's an ad hominem. Did you just find a list of fallacies and decide to try them all out?

And again with the marxist, plz point out where I've ever supported Marxism. Or are only you allowed to use fallacies?

[LedZeppelin]

To the end user, yes.



By that argument, pretty much nothing is "free". Or maybe your use of the word is just wildly incorrect. By your use of the word, there's no such thing as free coffee at an event or meeting, because someone, somewhere, paid for that coffee. This is obviously ridiculous and pedantic and wrong.



You literally just admitted that it was, by calling it a "free ride". You can't even stay consistent with yourself because of how ridiculous your argument is.



Universal healthcare is free to the end-user, because it is paid for by taxpayers.

Everyone advocating for universal health care knows this. It isn't the surprising "gotcha" you apparently think it is.

Thats because pretty much nothing is free.

Universal healthcare is 'free' to the end user if they do not pay into it via taxes. If an end user is paying into the system that gives the service I dont see how you can argue that its free. You have a much to narrow view of the system.

[Endus]

So, in your opinion, the end user won't suffer from the consequences of government regulating the free market in order to provide him with that 'free stuff'?

What we "suffer" is healthcare that's higher-rated in most respects than the free market provides in the USA, and for a significantly lower cost to the people.

The absolute horror.

[LedZeppelin]

What we "suffer" is healthcare that's higher-rated in most respects than the free market provides in the USA, and for a significantly lower cost to the people.

The absolute horror.

The US healthcare system isnt free market. It literally was birthed in congress unintentionally.

[LaplaceNoMa]

What we "suffer" is healthcare that's higher-rated in most respects than the free market provides in the USA, and for a significantly lower cost to the people.

The absolute horror.

Wait a second, who do you call 'we'? A person who didn't waste his youth on 'liberal arts' degree or smoking pot every day can afford great medicine in a free market environment. If I can afford good medicine, why would I, instead of paying good doctors for good service, pay government so they can find the cheapest doctors they can (because that's how socialism economy always works) so that I would start receiving worse treatment?

There's a joke in my country:

- If socialism doesn't work, why do so many people support it?
- Because they don't work either

[AlmightyGerkin]

Nothings wrong with Canada's healthcare, this person is just being racist thats all.

[Mifuyne]

Just wow. Do people actually do this in Canada?

Racist does what racist does best.

[Stelio Kontos]

Wait a second, who do you call 'we'? A person who didn't waste his youth on 'liberal arts' degree or smoking pot every day can afford great medicine in a free market environment. If I can afford good medicine, why would I, instead of paying good doctors for good service, pay government so they can find the cheapest doctors they can (because that's how socialism economy always works) so that I would start receiving worse treatment?

There's a joke in my country:

- If socialism doesn't work, why do so many people support it?
- Because they don't work either

In some cases that view may be correct, but I knew an elderly woman whose husband left her after over 30 years of neglect and emotional abuse. She was destitute, was a resident alien, and had no work experience in the US because she had been a housewife. He didn't tell her he cut their insurance plan until AFTER the special enrollment window had closed, and she was left with no medical coverage and painful physical maladies.

I suppose she should probably be left to die, right?

[LaplaceNoMa]

In some cases that view may be correct, but I knew an elderly woman whose husband left her after over 30 years of neglect and emotional abuse. She was destitute, was a resident alien, and had no work experience in the US because she had been a housewife. He didn't tell her he cut their insurance plan until AFTER the special enrollment window had closed, and she was left with no medical coverage and painful physical maladies.

I suppose she should probably be left to die, right?

No one's saying that. I'm sure there are lots of people who would want to support her. Just look at how well communities manage to gather funds to help someone in need. Thing is, such things must not be forced at a gunpoint. A business and a person should be free to do what they want with their labour/skills and money they get for using those.

[KrazyK923]

yes with obummers death panels amirite.

maga

[Jakexe]

Wait a second, who do you call 'we'? A person who didn't waste his youth on 'liberal arts' degree or smoking pot every day can afford great medicine in a free market environment. If I can afford good medicine, why would I, instead of paying good doctors for good service, pay government so they can find the cheapest doctors they can (because that's how socialism economy always works) so that I would start receiving worse treatment?

There's a joke in my country:

- If socialism doesn't work, why do so many people support it?
- Because they don't work either

That's a fallacy.

[Aggrophobic]

There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the system only with that mom.
Should you really let people such as her have kids though? Social services should probably look into that.

[LaplaceNoMa]

In some cases that view may be correct, but I knew an elderly woman whose husband left her after over 30 years of neglect and emotional abuse. She was destitute, was a resident alien, and had no work experience in the US because she had been a housewife. He didn't tell her he cut their insurance plan until AFTER the special enrollment window had closed, and she was left with no medical coverage and painful physical maladies.

I suppose she should probably be left to die, right?

To elaborate further, if you play WoW you might understand my stance better with this analogy: there are people in LFR/dungeons who simply demand others to give them the loot they need, especially when the special addon calls out that X just got something that can be useful for Y. These fellas are disgusting and theses fellas are socialism. Yet strangely, those who ask politely, still often get what they want, and a lot of time people who receive something they don't need even ask people whether they need stuff.

That's just how it works. When someone forces you to be 'good to others' while meaning 'be good to *us*', it's disgusting and, as history has proven time and time, will never work. The only path to real altruism and inner understanding among human beings can only start with the freedom to be egoistic.

[Zeek Daniels]

She seems to be complaining about the quality of the doctors at this particular facility. Looks like they have alot of foreign doctors on staff that dont speak english or speak it very well. Also she complained about the color of their teeth which is kinda weird. Maybe she got the shittiest doctor in the facility or maybe they are all as bad looking and speaking as the one doctor she saw. In my opinion she should have asked for another doctor if she didnt like the one she got. Asking for a white doctor doesnt fix the situation if they are all crappy looking. Also no way to prove that all the doctors there cant speak english or have brown teeth based on skin color. Maybe they all just got done eating a chocolate cake?

[Stelio Kontos]

To elaborate further, if you play WoW you might understand my stance better with this analogy: there are people in LFR/dungeons who simply demand others to give them the loot they need, especially when the special addon calls out that X just got something that can be useful for Y. These fellas are disgusting and theses fellas are socialism. Yet strangely, those who ask politely, still often get what they want, and a lot of time people who receive something they don't need even ask people whether they need stuff.

That's just how it works. When someone forces you to be 'good to others' while meaning 'be good to *us*', it's disgusting and, as history has proven time and time, will never work. The only path to real altruism and inner understanding among human beings can only start with the freedom to be egoistic.

Philosophically, I agree with you. I come from a country with a sorry past regarding socialists.

My only concern is that there should be some sort of system or net in place because I know from experience that depending on the kindness of others can often lead to bitter disappointment.

As for the woman in my example, she was lucky in having two sons she raised *not* to be like their American father (not a knock on Americans, just clarifying why my issue was with the American system), and they took her in and pay for her insurance. Which was much more expensive than it would have been a few years ago, but the plans on the state ACA exchange were garbage.