more tuning for Aff and Destro on the 20th (damage of all abilities reduced by 5%)

[burek]

based on the heroic logs so far, affliction could do with another nerf. on every fight it's either on par or straight out better than the other specs

[Deleted]

So how does it compare with the other dps? How much of this is due to afflocks having farmed Nighthold for gear?

Judging by the videos already coming up for the early heroic bosses none of the lock specs are getting above average-low

Look atTerryn's video for Goroth...not even in the top 10.


We've been redeisnged as a multidotter in a raid liek Sargera, and we justgot nerfed another 5% based on Nighthold crap lol

[Deleted]

based on the heroic logs so far, affliction could do with another nerf. on every fight it's either on par or straight out better than the other specs

Not really sure where you get this info.... If you look at warcraft logs:
1st boss: Mix of Frost mages, Enhancer, Hunter and a couple destro locks
2nd boss: Dominated by affliction, but that's just because of damage cheesing on the "off" add
3rd boss: Dominated by warriors. Couple of afflis in there, but also Ele Shaman, Frost/Fire Mage, Owl and others
4th boss: Mostly owls with the occasional affli, but also Ret, Hunter, Ele
5th boss: Yes, one affli on top, but probably insane proc luck with SC, rest is completely mixed, some melee, some ranged.
6th boss: Affli seems good there, but that's because of the teleport where affli dots keep ticking. Shadow is up there as well, some owls, ele
7th boss: Completely mixed. Yes a couple afflis in there but also rogues, dhs, mages, hunters
8th boss: Affli and destro seem to be good, but also shadow, and the occasional drood
last boss: (probably not statistically relevant because not many logs yet) but completely mixed bag with many different classes/specs in top 100

Overall, affli is still strong, but not completely overly dominant like you make it sound.

[burek]

Overall, affli is still strong, but not completely overly dominant like you make it sound.

I was talking about warlock specs, but based on your summary it also applies if you take other classes in consideration - it's dominating on some and up there on every other fight, which means it has no weaknesses, making it absolutely overpowered

[Dechimon]

I was talking about warlock specs, but based on your summary it also applies if you take other classes in consideration - it's dominating on some and up there on every other fight, which means it has no weaknesses, making it absolutely overpowered

Warlocks have no weakness? are you for real

[Xandrigity]

affliction will shine where every other dot/multi target/add class niche does this should be no suprise

[Deleted]

Warlocks have no weakness? are you for real

Nah, he's for real, just dumb

[satori sartori]

people actually bitch moaning about affliction with a pool size of 2 days of heroic and normal raids, 1 for EU.
Probably with 90% of the world without tier pieces or trinkets or understanding of what makes affliction undesirable in progression is really impressive even for MMO champ forums.

[Coldfire989]

people actually bitch moaning about affliction with a pool size of 2 days of heroic and normal raids, 1 for EU.
Probably with 90% of the world without tier pieces or trinkets or understanding of what makes affliction undesirable in progression is really impressive even for MMO champ forums.

Wouldn't be MMO Champ forums if they didn't sadly

[Reith]

people actually bitch moaning about affliction with a pool size of 2 days of heroic and normal raids, 1 for EU.
Probably with 90% of the world without tier pieces or trinkets or understanding of what makes affliction undesirable in progression is really impressive even for MMO champ forums.

We could wait a month for all the data in the world and by then you'll be crying that "affliction does better on farm content therefore results are invalid" lmao. You can't have it both ways. Seriously.

[satori sartori]

We could wait a month for all the data in the world and by then you'll be crying that "affliction does better on farm content therefore results are invalid" lmao. You can't have it both ways. Seriously.

As far as the data shows so far affliction is simply good and nowhere to OP, it just has yet another fight that it dominates completely because of arbitrary reasons and all the retards love to cry when they see affliction do this for some reason.

Destruction is by far a better spec for ToS progression.
So many fights with adds that require to be nuked asap, so many fights that require quick bursts of damage, decent amount of fight with cleaves.

[Lucrece]

As far as the data shows so far affliction is simply good and nowhere to OP, it just has yet another fight that it dominates completely because of arbitrary reasons and all the retards love to cry when they see affliction do this for some reason.

Destruction is by far a better spec for ToS progression.
So many fights with adds that require to be nuked asap, so many fights that require quick bursts of damage, decent amount of fight with cleaves.

ToS has silly amounts of movement, and mythic won't be any better. Affliction is an incredibly strong spec, essentially a better shadow priest now.

Don't downplay affliction's strengths.

[satori sartori]

ToS has silly amounts of movement, and mythic won't be any better. Affliction is an incredibly strong spec, essentially a better shadow priest now.

Don't downplay affliction's strengths.

Does not make a difference when it comes to killing priority targets and cleaving, destro will still win with proper portal/gateway managment and knowledge of the fight at being a bigger asset in the fight.
Affliction is basically assassination rogue, but without the survivability or cooldowns but with some slow multitarget.

[Lucrece]

Does not make a difference when it comes to killing priority targets and cleaving, destro will still win with proper portal/gateway managment and knowledge of the fight at being a bigger asset in the fight.
Affliction is basically assassination rogue, but without the survivability or cooldowns but with some slow multitarget.

A far superior version of assassination rogue with ranged sustained cleave that is unrivaled, and the luxury of ranged dps in dealing with mechanics with minimal dps loss.

Who cares if destro can burst adds better, they are different niches in a raid. By your logic, nobody would ever take a shadow priest or moonkin in a raid.

But we know that while destro bursts adds better and has the best burst cleave, affliction has better boss damage, better aoe, and better sustained spread cleave.

When your destro lock has that run where every mechanic targets you, affliction locks are completely cool about it. You are the hunter of casters.

Who knew, in a 20 man raid that you'd distribute your dps across different niches as needed.

[oathy]

pre patch CB was around the 1.2-1.4 million
post patch that went up to 1.5-17 Million
since the "tuning" its back to the 1.2-1.4 mark meaning the entire patch for me is a waste of space.
they do this ALL the time. Why even bother with PTR servers?

The soul shard changes are very nice. but this farting about with the damage just makes me more convinced
they need a lot of new blood on the team, But its clear they don't realise how destruct really needed that boost.

[Lucrece]

pre patch CB was around the 1.2-1.4 million
post patch that went up to 1.5-17 Million
since the "tuning" its back to the 1.2-1.4 mark meaning the entire patch for me is a waste of space.
they do this ALL the time. Why even bother with PTR servers?

The soul shard changes are very nice. but this farting about with the damage just makes me more convinced
they need a lot of new blood on the team, But its clear they don't realise how destruct really needed that boost.

What? New CB is consistently 1.8+ million, and prepatch CB was usually 900k-1.1k in pve barring deep matery swings.

[Reith]

As far as the data shows so far affliction is simply good and nowhere to OP, it just has yet another fight that it dominates completely because of arbitrary reasons and all the retards love to cry when they see affliction do this for some reason.

Destruction is by far a better spec for ToS progression.
So many fights with adds that require to be nuked asap, so many fights that require quick bursts of damage, decent amount of fight with cleaves.

It probably won't be be much of a nerf.

[satori sartori]

A far superior version of assassination rogue with ranged sustained cleave that is unrivaled, and the luxury of ranged dps in dealing with mechanics with minimal dps loss.

Who cares if destro can burst adds better, they are different niches in a raid. By your logic, nobody would ever take a shadow priest or moonkin in a raid.

But we know that while destro bursts adds better and has the best burst cleave, affliction has better boss damage, better aoe, and better sustained spread cleave.

When your destro lock has that run where every mechanic targets you, affliction locks are completely cool about it. You are the hunter of casters.

Who knew, in a 20 man raid that you'd distribute your dps across different niches as needed.

>dealing with mechanics with minimal dps loss.
they can't get away with this in mythic undergeared in progression

>affliction has better boss damage, better aoe, and better sustained spread cleave.
boss damage difference is minimal and sims have destro ahead with T20gear, there is practically no affliction friendly aoe in ToS, sustained cleave is not common in ToS

>When your destro lock has that run where every mechanic targets you, affliction locks are completely cool about it. You are the hunter of casters.
if you are "running away" from mechanics you are a shit warlock that does not use portals

>Who cares if destro can burst adds better, they are different niches in a raid. By your logic, nobody would ever take a shadow priest or moonkin in a raid.
who cares?
you don't run mythic progression do you?

[oathy]

What? New CB is consistently 1.8+ million, and prepatch CB was usually 900k-1.1k in pve barring deep matery swings.

Hello
truly only posting about my personal experience.
I'm not sure if there's something I can improve on my character is Riversong on outland

[Gaidax]

lul? People are trying to somehow claim affliction is weak or something?

It is literally, hands down, most powerful spec in ToS right now and it will only get more ridiculous in Mythic.

I fully expect it will get another nerf pre-Mythic patch.