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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's in Mississauga, which is a part of the Greater Toronto Area. Its population alone is like 750k. This isn't a small town region where there's just one doctor. And Mississauga isn't the low-end part of the GTA, either.

    A quick Google maps search shows me at least one other walk-in clinic a block away, like 300m. It's not a multi-speciality walk-in clinic, like the one she's at, but it's not like she has no options.

    Plus, Canada's system encourages people to get a family doctor. It doesn't cost you anything; you've just got to find someone who's taking patients (not terribly hard; the walk-in in question also is taking regular patients currently). Most day-by-day stuff goes to them, by appointment; walk-in clinics are for people between regular GPs or who need to be seen that day for something that isn't worth going to Emergency for (a doctor's note for a cold, if your GP is too busy to see you for a couple days, maybe).

    So whatever this is, we know;
    1> It's not an emergency, or she'd be at the hospital, not a clinic
    2> There are other walk-in clinics literally walking distance away
    3> She should have a regular GP that she's not going to for some reason, too.

    Maybe this was the only time she could get off work and it didn't line up with her GP so she went to the walk-in clinic, and that's fine, but there's others she could go to still. She's basically just lying/lazy, and pretty obviously racist to boot.

    Maybe her son has some sort of disorder or something that causes him to freak out over teeth, language and skin color and she is just really bad at explaining it. It is possible.

    Pretty sure shes a racist tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa View Post
    - If socialism doesn't work, why do so many people support it?
    - Because they don't work either
    LMAO That's a good one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaplaceNoMa View Post
    There's a joke in my country:

    - If socialism doesn't work, why do so many people support it?
    - Because they don't work either
    That's the dumbest thing I read today.

    I'm by European standards a fiscal conservative and a business owner. I recognize the absolute necessity for strong social services, social safety net, universal healthcare, accessible education and sensible government regulation on industry and business.

    You dislike mixed economies move to any of the third world nations that are unable to create a welfare state, that's your libertarian paradise. Even the "super anti socialist" US is essentially a democratic socialist mixed economy, the only problem with it is that it's basically the example to "How to not organize a mixed economy".


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    Quote Originally Posted by LedZeppelin View Post
    Dont be obtuse? Get off your high horse. You are just being ignorant. Just because the bill appears somewhere else for the end user doesnt mean that its free.
    US health care 17% GDP
    Canadian health care 12% GDP

    I think we need to reconsider who's being obtuse and ignorant here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zormis View Post
    How? this is way tamer than the 100s of US/cops/guns thread! I really do want to know why she said she couldn't afford better healthcare!
    Yeah but bashing the USA is acceptable on MMOChampion but the slightest snip at any other western nation is instantly infracted and closed. The mighty free thinking and massive superiority complex of most European internet police hard at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    This will get closed for nation bashing because it's bashing canada.
    Exactly. On this forum youre only allowed to bash the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    See the bit in bold? That bit is false. She didn't like the skin color of her doctor, and made her racist bullshit publicly known, and faced immediate social backlash over being a terrible person as a result.

    Refusing to let her kid be seen by a doctor because he's not white enough for her is evidence that she is an unfit mother, not that there's a damn thing wrong with the healthcare system in general.
    Putting the racism aside, it appears you cannot ask for a doctor for any reason at all. This another one of the problems with Universal Healthcare, youre stuck with whatever the government assigns you.

    If she had said I want my kid to see a different doctor because this one has bad hygiene, has BO, and ratty hair, they would have said no.

    If she said I want a different doctor because this one has a lot of complaints on yelp, they wouldve said no.

    If she wanted a new doctor because this one is too young and she feels he hasnt had enough on the job experience (I personally like my doctors to be over 50 because theyve seen it all and treated it all for decades), she wouldve been told no.

    If she wanted a new doctor because this one has too many patients causing long wait times, she wouldve been told no

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinfandel View Post
    Misleading title is misleading.

    All universal healthcare systems still allow people to pay/ pay more to see different doctors. They usually aren't better.

    A rando ranting about the quality of their doctor is not evidence of anything.
    Which would be fine if people who chose to use a private doctor were able to get a tax refund of the money they put in to the public system that they will never use. Youre forcing them to pay for care twice just for the privilege of picking their own doctor and not having to wait 2 years for a knee replacement

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglykermit View Post
    Just wow. Do people actually do this in Canada?
    It probably happens quite a bit. a large number of Canadians have never seen anyone who isnt white or Inuit, as the African Canadian population in Canada is around 250, so they may not understand that they are no different than white people beyond the skin color

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    This video only shows why some prefer a system where you have more choices of which doctor or hospital you would rather go to. But our country to some extent, does the same thing with insurance companies and their preferred providers systems. Racism is evident in all aspects of social interaction, so nothing new there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post

    Which would be fine if people who chose to use a private doctor were able to get a tax refund of the money they put in to the public system that they will never use. Youre forcing them to pay for care twice just for the privilege of picking their own doctor and not having to wait 2 years for a knee replacement
    Yes, but the difference is that if you need important work done you will still have it done for free, even if you can't afford it.

    Some operations you won't be able to afford - I could never afford 100K worth of surgery if it wasn't for free healthcare. But I can afford going checkups, blood work, minor issues in private clinics.

    If it wasn't for universal healthcare I'm not sure how I would have survived my STEMI financially so while as a young guy I did sometimes feel like the money I pay is wasted, it sure felt great to have an emergency stent placed quickly and without having to worry about the cost. My money was well spent even if I've still probably paid more than I've taken out so far - other than this one emergency heart problem I have never used the state run system since reaching adulthood.

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    The biggest problem with the Canadian health care system is that Canadian women only have 1.6 babies. Canada could import a lot of immigrants to fix this but this would fundamentally change the nature of Canada, make it more American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Well, that was a pile of McCarthyist nonsense.

    Universal health care systems in most developed nations, including Canada's, rate significantly higher than the USA's does on things like quality of care.
    Only because part of that rating includes access to care as part of the "quality of care". If they were ranked solely on the quality of care that a person receives, there is nowhere better than the US. As someone who has insurance and good doctors, I will receive much better care right here in my town than I would in any other country. We have the newest medical technology, best sanitation, highest education standards (this is why 80% of the worlds doctors come to the US to study medicine). Our doctors and hospitals dont rely on ancient equipment like film xrays, mercury thermometers, iron lungs, wooden prosthetics, Ancient MRI and CT scan machines that take days to see results, paper patient charts, old beds with prison-like mattresses, sliding weight scales, wooden prosthetics, etc...

    And we dont call a Dodge Sprinter or minivan an ambulance. We actually have real ambulances which have enough room and supplies to treat just about any problem enroute to a hospital, as well as Helicopter Ambulances for extremely dire situations.

    Would you rather ride in this:





    Or this (typical UK ambulance)?





    Would you rather stay in a hospital room like this?




    Or this?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If you want to make a comparison, it's like you're the guy who runs a big donut shop chain, and you're charging $4/donut. Because fuck you, that's why. And all your major competitors are giving their donuts away for free to members, and those memberships cost way less than your donuts. And you're complaining "their donuts aren't FREE, because you need a MEMBERSHIP", and nobody cares because they're getting more donuts, cheaper, and they're better donuts than yours anyway.
    Except people wanting the free donuts have to wait in line for 13 hours to get them where the guy charging $4 gives you one immediately. Also the free donuts are made with low quality ingredients and the $4 ones are made with top shelf ingredients

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    We don't need a thread about every single thing happening in america/canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    To the end user, yes.



    By that argument, pretty much nothing is "free". Or maybe your use of the word is just wildly incorrect. By your use of the word, there's no such thing as free coffee at an event or meeting, because someone, somewhere, paid for that coffee. This is obviously ridiculous and pedantic and wrong.
    Except in this instance the person who actually paid for the coffee did so voluntarily and wasnt forced to pay for it by the government (taxes), and the person receiving the coffee actually did get it for free

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    I always love watching American's trying to justify a healthcare system, which is made solely to profit on themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    US health care 17% GDP
    Canadian health care 12% GDP

    I think we need to reconsider who's being obtuse and ignorant here.
    Yeah, because now its you. Where in my post did I even compare the 2 systems? What you wrote is irrelevant to what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Putting the racism aside, it appears you cannot ask for a doctor for any reason at all. This another one of the problems with Universal Healthcare, youre stuck with whatever the government assigns you.
    Not true in the slightest. Literally the only customer service difference is that you can't queue jump unless there's medical necessity.

    If she had said I want my kid to see a different doctor because this one has bad hygiene, has BO, and ratty hair, they would have said no.
    Prove it.

    If she wanted a new doctor because this one has too many patients causing long wait times, she wouldve been told no.
    Yeah, no.

    Once again, the only reason your wait time would be long is if your condition isn't serious.

    Which would be fine if people who chose to use a private doctor were able to get a tax refund of the money they put in to the public system that they will never use. Youre forcing them to pay for care twice just for the privilege of picking their own doctor and not having to wait 2 years for a knee replacement
    Queue jumping is a privilege, it only makes sense that it should cost more to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Only because part of that rating includes access to care as part of the "quality of care". If they were ranked solely on the quality of care that a person receives, there is nowhere better than the US.
    Prove it.

    As someone who has insurance and good doctors, I will receive much better care right here in my town than I would in any other country. We have the newest medical technology, best sanitation, highest education standards (this is why 80% of the worlds doctors come to the US to study medicine). Our doctors and hospitals dont rely on ancient equipment like film xrays, mercury thermometers, iron lungs, wooden prosthetics, Ancient MRI and CT scan machines that take days to see results, paper patient charts, old beds with prison-like mattresses, sliding weight scales, wooden prosthetics, etc...
    Neither do Canadian hospitals or medical facilities.

    I wager you've never even been outside the country, quite frankly.

    And we dont call a Dodge Sprinter or minivan an ambulance. We actually have real ambulances which have enough room and supplies to treat just about any problem enroute to a hospital, as well as Helicopter Ambulances for extremely dire situations.
    Which are usually privately run and cost an absolute fortune to use.

    Would you rather ride in this:
    Cherry picking images from google is not a meaningful comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    The biggest problem with the Canadian health care system is that Canadian women only have 1.6 babies. Canada could import a lot of immigrants to fix this but this would fundamentally change the nature of Canada, make it more American.
    Economy of scale is a thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    It probably happens quite a bit. a large number of Canadians have never seen anyone who isnt white or Inuit, as the African Canadian population in Canada is around 250, so they may not understand that they are no different than white people beyond the skin color
    Nobody is this retarded. I call Poe.
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    maybe care by a black doctor costs only 3/5ths of what a white's does, that's why she's upset

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Tell us what 3'rd world country you live in please.
    It doesn't matter what country exactly this is, it's the only one that had to suffer leftist rule for almost a century and lost more lives to it than to the WW2.

    I'm curious, by the way. You live in Denmark, yet right beside you (well, not with a direct border, but still close enough) there's another country, which has a way higher standard of living, and that is as far from left-wing as it can be (with the vast majority of its people being economically educated enough to vote against 'guaranteed income' and raising of the minimum wage on the referendums). I wonder whether you'd call that one '3rd world' too.
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    Let Canada continue what is has had for a while, it doesn't affect US, and I don't see any reason to bring up one little bad incident with some racist asshole (We have a ton of these folks where I live here in Texass')

    As much as I love my country, and again I'll let anyone know how much I do: other countries get to choose what they want as well. If something fails, you'll see it all over the news.. So I don't see what the post is even about.

    The big offtopic convo though about people bashing America: Get used to it, nobody gets to the top without constantly being hated - WELCOME to the best of the best.

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