ToS Logs and statistics from day 1

[Killface1]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...ss=Non-Healers

This is from day one heroic. Mythic rankings rarely are a direct reflection of heroic, because as new mechanics are introduced, some classes shine more than others. However, it seems like a pretty safe bet to say ranged will be kings this tier and melee will be back to their normal subservient position of "bring 11 ranged and 3 melee" raid strats.

[beelgers]

I'd keep in mind that nobody has their 4pc T20 in the logs yet (for the most part anyway), and that will make a huge difference.

[DakonBlackblade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...ss=Non-Healers

This is from day one heroic. Mythic rankings rarely are a direct reflection of heroic, because as new mechanics are introduced, some classes shine more than others. However, it seems like a pretty safe bet to say ranged will be kings this tier and melee will be back to their normal subservient position of "bring 11 ranged and 3 melee" raid strats.

Yes lets use all these 200 logs, some classes less than that, to try and have a completly untrustworthy stattisc (its bad for all fights but for some it is just ridiculous, there are some specs that have 1 log for Avatar for example). Either go to normal (wich we actualy have a decent amount of logs) or wait till the end of the week. Also tiers.

[Kazuchika]

lol ret and WW confirmed garbage gg

Our rets did nothing but complain last night as they got bodied by literally everyone else it was pretty hilarious.

[styil]

WW and Ret need some help. ASAP.

[Tinykong]

Glad they nerfed DHs right before the patch went live, looks like it was needed. lol

[Hellrime]

Shouldn't you also consider that it takes melee longer to adjust to a fight? Melee typically deal with the breadth of all mechanics first, so learning those mechanics requires a little more time than the first day. I think the range are in the lead because really it is stand here, mash buttons, move away from mechanic, collect loot like it always has been.

[Deleted]

melee are responsible for massive ST damage. Compare the dps numbers on the main targets with each other and you will see that mages are the only r-class (currently) which can compete in ST situations. Melees are the way to success.

[HHHGame78]

Melee has to deal with the small has hell hit box on Sister's of the Moon as well, I hope Blizz changes it soon, it's ridiculous.

[Lartok]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...ss=Non-Healers

This is from day one heroic. Mythic rankings rarely are a direct reflection of heroic, because as new mechanics are introduced, some classes shine more than others. However, it seems like a pretty safe bet to say ranged will be kings this tier and melee will be back to their normal subservient position of "bring 11 ranged and 3 melee" raid strats.

You literally countered your own point. Mythic has more mechanics, ranged generally have to deal with far more mechanics than melee and that generally means losing dps.

Lets use 1 day of pointless information to make a 'safe bet', please don't gamble, it won't end well for you.

[Nitros14]

Remember when affliction warlocks complained about their nerf

[zezel81]

Complain about DH yet never considered that player or players are good? More DH havoc than any other class. So, it means more better players in that class. Nerf them crap they still out shine u. Hmmm

[MatthewOU2015]

Locks top dog

[Killface1]

You literally countered your own point. Mythic has more mechanics, ranged generally have to deal with far more mechanics than melee and that generally means losing dps.

Lets use 1 day of pointless information to make a 'safe bet', please don't gamble, it won't end well for you.

Its a pretty small sample size, you're right. I'd be willing to bet that most of these stats stay relatively similar with a few classes moving up or down slightly though for this first week. Time will tell whether I'm right or not.

Typically melee learn a fight much quicker than ranged, as far as ability and cooldown timings goes, because the fact of the matter is that its easier to learn a fight for melee than it is for any ranged that is hampered by movement - most boss mechanics dont alter melee ability and cooldown usage, just positioning, where most boss mechanics do alter ranged ability and cooldown usage.. If ranged are already beating melee while they're learning mechanics its probably due to tuning. I'd expect that gap to grow as people learn fights, not shrink.

You're right about mythic adding more mechanics and giving a bump to melee, but we'll see how it pans out. Based on past experience where melee has typically dominated heroic rankings and even mythic for the first few weeks before ranged takes over though, I'd expect a tier where ranged start out ahead to not flip the opposite direction of normal.

We can revist this thread in 2 weeks after heroic has been out two weeks and mythic has been out a week!

[Queen of Hamsters]

It's not a safe bet at all at this point.

[RoKPaNda]

I like that on all the sims so far and all the logs so far Shadow Priest isn't garbage this time around, but we'll see how that changes as the tier progresses.

It's not a safe bet at all at this point.

Is the link in your sig sponsored by the people who want you to spend $65~ on a bag of dog food? And is it a "documentary" in the same sense that Blackfish was?

[Ealyssa]

Remember when affliction warlocks complained about their nerf

Affliction always shine in progress. Those whiners were just salty to be less OP.

[Queen of Hamsters]

I like that on all the sims so far and all the logs so far Shadow Priest isn't garbage this time around, but we'll see how that changes as the tier progresses.



Is the link in your sig sponsored by the people who want you to spend $65~ on a bag of dog food? And is it a "documentary" in the same sense that Blackfish was?

Inconvenient truths don't make them any less true. But "Blackfish" isn't even remotely related to it, so...
It's not made by people with stakes in dog food industry, if that's what you're questioning.

As someone having moved over to natural pet foods, I'm not paying more, and my pets are healthier and live longer. Even IF that came at the price of a few extra bucks, I'd gladly pay it.

[Dangg]

If I would be a top tier player I'd try to play bad on purpose in the heroic week so my class gets buffed.

[Zelk]

Affliction will probably drop down as more people get to the last 3 bosses. Lots of padding in the first 5 bosses and affliction is the king of padding. I mean just look at all the people taking Absolute Corruption to get 100% dot uptime on the cage add in the Inquisition fight.