Legion - Outlaw Discussion

[Cyanix]

What kind of RNG? there is no RNG to SND.

Then again there's opportunity/ BB procs, but my bad, i see you dont have the bracers.

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They finally got RTB to the point where they wanted it originally

Yup, outdoors

Outlaw's sustain is nowhere as good as sub, and its burst is far inferior to assassination.

If it wasnt for blade flurry and (some) world quests, i wouldn't use the spec at all.

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Outlaw's sustain is nowhere as good as sub, and its burst is far inferior to assassination.

Not sure what are you talking about. You literally stealth-MFD-RT. Repeat.

There is reportedly less rng to outlaw now than there is (and was previously) to ass. Even when using rtb instead of snd.

I can see how getting full buffs can get you far, which is quite an RNG.
With SND i think it is the spec that has the least RNG in the whole game. Nothing that may happen to you will drastically change your performance. I mean, sure, there are minor procs but the impact of those procs are close to the impact of a critical hit: no one in his right mind would assume that critical hit chance is a strong RNG factor to a boss fight.

[Cyanix]

Not sure what are you talking about.

Yeah i kinda figured.

[Mafic]

RTB doesn't provide interesting decision making compared to SnD now that restless blades is baseline. If SND was capable of also having MFD it would smoke RTB builds and leave RTB in the dust.

The problem with RTB is that there are no talents to alter the playstyle. Loaded Dice is a good start but should not be the end.

[Nekroman]

Still not sold on the not rerolling except gm thing. Idk maybe reroll for a certain 1 buff whether or not its tb. Broadsides is feeling great. I think one buff will shine above the rest and i cant speak for anyone else, but im inclined to gamble. AR is up plenty, but i do still get droughts with meh rolls. Just feelzycrafting i havent even gotten a new nightly since patch but will start to run some actual numbers this weekend. I so hope SnD isnt the way to go, mfd is my favorite part of the spec. Still kinda hoping they bake it in but i should probably stop hoping for things that aren't coming. I was really unsure which way to go, 52+ in all weapons missing only sub bracers and the new ones. I had bank and bags full of ap and last night dumped it all into dreadblades. Outlaw is insanely fun to me. Staring at wa dot meters is not. Even if i take a hit to my damage w/e as we only raid mythic pretty casually i can get away with it.

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Then again there's opportunity/ BB procs, but my bad, i see you dont have the bracers.

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Yup, outdoors

Outlaw's sustain is nowhere as good as sub, and its burst is far inferior to assassination.

If it wasnt for blade flurry and (some) world quests, i wouldn't use the spec at all.

I suggest you go look at some logs before saying obviously wrong stuff like that.

[SSJones]

What kind of RNG? there is no RNG to SND.

Have you played with Frond? Since Frond is SnD's best trinket by far (After CoF), there's still a fair RNG factor there.

[nothingsjim]

Just wanted to point out that Jeweled Signet of Melandrus is probably gonna be our BIS if we go with SnD build.

I just simmed it on Raidbots, and apparently, a 890 Melandrus beats 920 Exclusive Servitude, so I am gonna assume it's back to CoS farming again...

[Veneno]

I do not consider myself to be any good to be honest. As you can see SND can still be viable.

I cant post links yet but just look up Véneno on Bronzebeard.

3 million on Skorp heroic plus other good dps fights, 7.2.5 of course.

[Dieselol]

Nighthold and heroic logs, especially skorp and in 7.2.5 are not an example of a spec being viable...

Either way, SND is competitive and sometimes better if used with the right gear set/trinkets and Legendaries.

[Veneno]

Nighthold and heroic logs, especially skorp and in 7.2.5 are not an example of a spec being viable...

Either way, SND is competitive and sometimes better if used with the right gear set/trinkets and Legendaries.

Why are heroic Nighthold logs not a good example?

[WoWnoob]

Nighthold and heroic logs, especially skorp and in 7.2.5 are not an example of a spec being viable...

Either way, SND is competitive and sometimes better if used with the right gear set/trinkets and Legendaries.

ive been reading mantle+insignia is the way to go for ST, especially with frond+cof.

[Veneno]

ive been reading mantle+insignia is the way to go for ST, especially with frond+cof.

That is my exact setup.

[WoWnoob]

That is my exact setup.

Same. Id love to get the bracers btw.

[Sephiroso]

ive been reading mantle+insignia is the way to go for ST, especially with frond+cof.

where have you been reading this? I'm not saying that it's wrong, just everywhere i've seen, all the sims keep saying mantle+bracers. I've always strongly been under the impression that whoever does outlaw sims don't know what they're doing cause they say snd > rtb and other weird talent choices but what can ya do.

Outlaw still under represented, not just by the population but by theorycrafters as well sadly.

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Why are heroic Nighthold logs not a good example?

Only reason i can see why it's not necessarily smart to look at heroic NH(now) is that ToS fights are not NH fights. Different fights require different optimal setups. I don't know if that's what was going through his mind when he said that though...but something to keep in mind.

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where have you been reading this? I'm not saying that it's wrong, just everywhere i've seen, all the sims keep saying mantle+bracers. I've always strongly been under the impression that whoever does outlaw sims don't know what they're doing cause they say snd > rtb and other weird talent choices but what can ya do.

Outlaw still under represented, not just by the population but by theorycrafters as well sadly.

It depends on your gear, SnD simmed higher for my character then RtB and after trying it out on a dummy multiple pulls (200Mil dmg done+) I can only confirm that SnD is indeed better then RtB for my character with my specific gear.
RtB only came close to SnD with good rolls but even then it didn't come out higher with DPS on a 200mil dmg fight. (This is with Signa ring as the only benneficial legendary)

This was done with CoF and Fond trinket with the 10% auto attack ring and 2p T19.

I'm doing 830k+ dps on krosus HC with 897 ilvl so it's viable if you ask me.

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Can anyone confirm - is haste a priority spec now?

[Sephiroso]

Can anyone confirm - is haste a priority spec now?

Like always, depends on your gear. For me, Vers is by far and away better than the other 3 secondary stats. The remaining 3 are fairly close in value to each other.

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It depends on your gear, SnD simmed higher for my character then RtB and after trying it out on a dummy multiple pulls (200Mil dmg done+) I can only confirm that SnD is indeed better then RtB for my character with my specific gear.
RtB only came close to SnD with good rolls but even then it didn't come out higher with DPS on a 200mil dmg fight. (This is with Signa ring as the only benneficial legendary)

This was done with CoF and Fond trinket with the 10% auto attack ring and 2p T19.

I'm doing 830k+ dps on krosus HC with 897 ilvl so it's viable if you ask me.

I was more so just curious where he read that mantle/insignia was looking to be the best for ST. From the sims/etc i've seen, it's mantle/bracers. Having another pool of information to look through would help sift through the truth and the not-so-truth.

[Tniemuth95]

9/9 normal now and I don't think outlaw is going to be very good in tomb. Too many mechanics that involve leaving the boss alone for short periods of time (I.e. Armageddon on KJ or swapping to maiden during avatar, etc.) I feel like assassination will become very strong with this in mind and even sub should be decent with its one dot.

Also anyone think it's weird that KJ doesn't drop any tier gear? I don't see much point in killing him weekly except for the relics.

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9/9 normal now and I don't think outlaw is going to be very good in tomb. Too many mechanics that involve leaving the boss alone for short periods of time (I.e. Armageddon on KJ or swapping to maiden during avatar, etc.) I feel like assassination will become very strong with this in mind and even sub should be decent with its one dot.

Also anyone think it's weird that KJ doesn't drop any tier gear? I don't see much point in killing him weekly except for the relics.

He only drops relics?