Do you BELIEVE in Freedom of Speech?

[Vankrys]

Then no country has freedom of speech in present time.

bold statement, surely you can demonstrate that. Surely, you're not just trolling.

[Freighter]

bold statement, surely you can demonstrate that. Surely, you're not just trolling.

All countries have some sort of limits on speech. I do not know any country that allows you to say anything you'd like, if such a country exists then feel free to point out which country it is.

[Deleted]

i only believe people who affiliate with the political left should have freedom of speech.

anyone on the right or independent should be punished for having an opinion.

[Volardelis]

Freedom of speech has 2 components

1. Freedom from government punishing for speech
2. Freedom of expression in the private world

What I have noticed from the left in America is that they use terms like racism and hate speech so they can form mobs of lemmings to go and intimidate people into not speaking that they disagree with. I believe this is also a form of speech, but it is essentially a rallying cry of being an authoritarian.

If you don't like Milo, then don't go to his event. Don't form a mob to enforce your beliefs. That's my thought at least

What is your view on people like Trump labeling nearly everything that is negative about him, even when true as fake news? Basically doing the same thing as your example?

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Freedom to express yourself publicly without getting arrested or imprisoned by the government? Yes. Although there should be restrictions

When it comes to forums or private convo's using someone else's software or platforms (such as things like twitter or facebook) you should respect the rules and regulations of that platform. Terms and conditions exist for a reason after all. And if you get punished for breaking those terms and conditions, you shouldn't respond shouting out "leftist libtard bias!" You failed to respect the rules and got punished accordingly, nothing "liberal bias" about it. And the private sector has their right to refuse you that platform. After all, it is them that is hosting you. If you really need to get your point across, there are other methods of doing it.

That being said, your opinion should be well informed by numerous sources, if you only stick to sources that basically say what you want to hear, you have already lost whatever argument or discussion you try to have. Reason why I don't like people like Pauline Hanson who only listens to your own personal bias and refuses to see any evidence or reason from the other side of her views. Even worse is when people like her tell other people 'do your own research' because really, she is too lazy to supply her own evidence to back up her arguments. (Or she doesn't have any credible and reliable sources to begin with)

[Zuben]

Yup. People often forget the ideal behind the law.

[PL-Cibo]

Simple question, do you believe in Freedom of Speech?

Which includes anything you say or post online, even bullying speech should be protected.

I do, and I think everyone's ideas and thoughts should be protected under freedom of speech.

Thankfully in the US we have the 1st Amendment which protects freedom of speech, and I know most other countries have similar laws protecting freedom of speech.

You should sometimes use the freedom to be silent. And I don't BELIEVE in freedom of speech. It either exist or it does not. For example, it doesn't exist in the US. At least not your form.

[Hottage]

I believe that if you are so passionate about free speech, you should also be ready to accept the consequences of other people having free speech too... including them having the freedom to call you a bat-shit crazy dingleberry for having such stupid opinions.

[Surfd]

Makes a post about "Freedom of speech".

References the First Amendment.

Clearly does not actually understand how the First Amendment is applied.

Yep, seems like a pretty standard Jaylock Bait thread.

[Vankrys]

All countries have some sort of limits on speech. I do not know any country that allows you to say anything you'd like, if such a country exists then feel free to point out which country it is.

it's the golden rule

The freedom of each stops where the freedom of others starts.

You can criticize as much as you want, i have seen stephen colbert going all out against donald Trump. But you can't call for harming other, in particular physical harm, because you infringe in the freedom of other to not fear for their person.

You can't damage irreparably someone reputation with untrue statement, you can't falsely accuse for example someone of rape. That is slander. But if it's true, it's not slander. That's why people use words like "allegedly"

[The One Percent]

It's either all okay to say or nothing is. Even things I disagree with. However, you need to back up accusations and things you claim to be facts with evidence and there should be legal ramifications for not doing so especially in cases where your statements that are not backed up with truth are particularly damaging.

[Freighter]

it's the golden rule

The freedom of each stops where the freedom of others starts.

You can criticize as much as you want, i have seen stephen colbert going all out against donald Trump. But you can't call for harming other, in particular physical harm, because you infringe in the freedom of other to not fear for their person.

You can't damage irreparably someone reputation with untrue statement, you can't falsely accuse for example someone of rape. That is slander. But if it's true, it's not slander. That's why people use words like "allegedly"

How is this even relevant to my post? You're not showing any country that has absolute freedom of speech.

[Vankrys]

How is this even relevant to my post? You're not showing any country that has absolute freedom of speech.

so it's all or nothing. Either absolute freedom of speech or none?

[Freighter]

so it's all or nothing. Either absolute freedom of speech or none?

Dude, did you even read what you responded to in the first place? Therionn said if it's not absolute then it's not freedom of speech and I said that no country has freedom of speech then as no country has absolute freedom of speech.

[tikcol]

NO

People should NOT be allowed to say racist things.

[Deleted]

I think my signature makes my position quite obvious.

[Deleted]

Right, another one of those dilusional "free speech" posts.

Is there really free speech in america?, can you really say anything you want? Can openly I start burning bibles in texas, shouting death to white people, jews, infants and anyone else without beeing stopped? What if im rallying people to my cause and start doing it with 20 people, or 2000. What if im hitting on 14 year olds infront of a school?

The internet has probably been the place with most "free speech", historically - ever. You post whatever you want in forums, privately or whatever. This might not be a big deal to westeners, but its been incredibly important to countries that dont have these freedoms - and its brought people together.

You have a medium where anyone can be heard equally, it doesnt matter if youre a woman, man, gay, transgender. I could create an identity online today - and I would be heard the same as 99% of other people online.

The downside of all that are all the "insane" people out there, they also get heard in the same way. People like hitler, that are extremely seductive to the masses - yet also batshit crazy. People that try to hit on children or look at child pornography. Uneducated people spurring hate crimes and violence.

Why do we need to give these kinds of people a chance at expressing themselves. Just shouting "Freedom", and calling everyone a nazi that tries to regulate the dogshit that is beeing said is pretty easy. Words can have even more impact as physical violence.

I dont change the side of the road when i see a police officer, I think our justice system is fair enough for me not to worry. I dont watch child pornography or make extreme hate postings, why should i worry?
or would the world be a better place with legal child porno.

[Deleted]

Freedom of speech, yes. Absolution from any consequences of your speech? No.

[Mifuyne]

Full freedom of speech could work if words couldn't impact actions.
But they do, so no, full freedom of speech is bad.
Have to find a proper middleground where the positives outnumber the negatives where people are pretty free AND safe.

[Deleted]

NO

People should NOT be allowed to say racist things.

Then you have to be able to define racist speech to the point where there is no gray areas.

[tikcol]

Then you have to be able to define racist speech to the point where there is no gray areas.

Racist speech doesn't need to be defined.

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Full freedom of speech could work if words couldn't impact actions.
But they do, so no, full freedom of speech is bad.
Have to find a proper middleground where the positives outnumber the negatives where people are pretty free AND safe.

Exactly. Safe from racists and other brutes. Especially fascists and hippies(hippies are now fascists) antifa guys, antifa