German police raid 36 homes over hateful postings on social media

[Raakel]

So what have we got so far... ?

- Germans are Nazis.....[ v/ ] check
- Refugees.................[ v/ ]
- Merkel Hitler.............[ v/ ]
- Putin......................[ v/ ]
- Trump.....................[ v/ ]
- YouTube prove.........[ v/ ]
- conspiracy...............[ v/ ]

Anyone want to bring something new other than personal fights?

[Slant]

Raid the homes of everyone who posts hateful things on internet?
I don't think we have enough police for that here.

They don't just raid the homes of anyone posting hateful shit on the internet. This is on a much bigger scale. For example, we have the G20 summit in my city in 3 weeks. Already left-wing extremists are beginning to cause problems here. Just last Monday public transport was basically brought to a short halt because they committed arson attacks on the railway lines. Do you fathom what would happen to a city if all connecting railways were interrupted? That's the type of stuff those people called for. Not "Duh, I hate refugees" more like "kill all refugees!"

[Charge me Doctor]

Well, think about it this way.

An elected country leader is supposed to serve his people. Like, the textbook definition.

My wife is Russian, I know a lot of Russians and I've been multiple times to Russia including Moscow, Sotchi, Krasnodar, St. Petersburg.... The average Russian person really doesn't like seeing homosexuals. It's just a sad truth. There are obviously many Russians who oppose all of that, unfortunately they are a minority. If they weren't, we'd see much more movement involving this issue.

But we don't. So in a weird twist of fate, Putin for Russia is the best there is. He's doing quite exactly what the vast majority of Russians approve of.

Also, gay people can even flamboyantly walk through many cities in Russia, especially cities like Sotchi and Moscow. My wife has quite a lot of gay Russian friends.

Rural areas dislike them, and generally you aren't allowed to promote it. Which sucks, but that's what they apparently want.

Just FYI, Moscow, Sochi, Krasnodar, St. Petersburg are bad representation of Russia. They are kinda "face" of Russia, so government actively tried to make them appealing, but go to something like Yekaterinburg, Perm, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky you'll see much clearer picture. In fact, right now, Cyprus copper company attempts to illegally ravage our soil (10km from the city i live in, near the only drinking water source they plan to make 540meters + 350meters craters to leach copper (and off course dump all the nasty shit they use to leech it in there)). That's a fucking problem, especially in a "year of ecology" (c) Putin, which is so mind boggling to hear your president to announce while a city with a population of 1+ million is about to die because of ecological catastrophe. That's a fucking problem of an average Russian, someone being gay is not a problem, it's even rarely mentioned. There are off course blind and naive people who can't see past their nose and seek for problems and conflicts, who may consider someone being gay to be a problem.

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You must know.

Say something negative about Mr. Putin.

I can say a lot of negative things about anyone. Why are you so centered on Putin? What about Mizulina? Navalniy? Dugin? Yeltsin? Kadyrov? Milonov? You know, there are more than 1 person in russia, and people who know nothing more about russian politics than "Putin" are worse than Putin himself.

[StayTuned]

@Charge me Doctor

Shit that sucks to hear. I was always confused about how Putin can even manage an area of a size like Russia. You live close to freaking Kazakhstan. That's 1800km away from Putin. Does he even know wtf is going on there?

[Flarelaine]

@Charge me Doctor

Shit that sucks to hear. I was always confused about how Putin can even manage an area of a size like Russia. You live close to freaking Kazakhstan. That's 1800km away from Putin. Does he even know wtf is going on there?

The amount of concern for the environment (=none) is par for the course for (post-)Soviet governments. Even if/when they know. I've seen a few of our rivers bleached clean and I don't even live in Russia.

[Deleted]

I can say a lot of negative things about anyone. Why are you so centered on Putin? What about Mizulina? Navalniy? Dugin? Yeltsin? Kadyrov? Milonov? You know, there are more than 1 person in russia, and people who know nothing more about russian politics than "Putin" are worse than Putin himself.

"Everyone who opposes Putin is evil".

Yeah, thats a compelling argument. Thanks for sharing your vision with me.

[shrunken]

damn dusting off the Brownshirts? good stuff

[Flextt]

Inb4 Muricans claiming Germany is a socialist hellhole without free speech.

[primalmatter]

Losing a argument?

Invoke Putin.

[Sharein]

Wanting to overthrow the Government is not "constructive criticism". Neither is trying to suppress free speech and censoring media. You can discuss constructively. You just need to do it constructively. Racism in itself is never constructive. A legal definition won't change that.

The problem is that people often dismiss constructive criticism as racism, almost by default. Ad hominems, baseless ranting and dismissing everything as racism leads to no constructive discussions taking place.

And who is "wanting to overthrow the government"?

[Ravenblade]

/tosses around random insults like you do, like the degenerate you are.

Here's a video to the superior debate arena:

Dunno, I don't feel like I am watching superior stuff here, more like something that fits all the negative terminology the nazis have invented for their opponents. Oh, I see, you are one of those who admire the "the doctor". No surprise you're spreading the word "degenerate" like confetti at a children's birthday party then.

[Eggroll]

Although I think nobody should be allowed to issue death threats or anything of the like in social media I am actually worried about the political developement as a German in Germany.

The political dialogue has pretty much come to a halt. It basically amounts to "everything that's right wing is evil and therefore "forbidden".
If you critizise Brussel lobbycrats you are a filthy nationalist and therefore your point is invalid and you are "rightwing"/Nazi.
If you critizise free trade agreements you are a nationalist and potentially a Nazi, too.
If you are a citizen who is worried about their place in this country in the future, worried about the fast changes, you are "rightwing", possibly Neonazi, too.

Curiously goverment officials can openly insult citizens who don't agree with their policies without any backlash from anywhere.

Additionaly the Merkel government has been ammassing power, taking it away from the federal states, thereby taking it away from the citizens. Today the goverment will approve a law to to allow goverment agencies to hack the smartphones of German citizens.

In my book, Merkel is nothing more than a Trump with a vagina (and a better haircut obviously)

[LMuhlen]

Inb4 Muricans claiming Germany is a socialist hellhole without free speech.

inb4 doesn't really work in page 33...

[Krille]

Germany have a history with far-right bullshit. I'm not surprised they take it more seriously than most other countries.

[Slant]

The problem is that people often dismiss constructive criticism as racism, almost by default. Ad hominems, baseless ranting and dismissing everything as racism leads to no constructive discussions taking place.

And who is "wanting to overthrow the government"?

Nazis are. Racists usually are, since the current Government usually is one of the sources of evil that enables these foreigners to come into the country. Say, do you follow German politics? The AfD is one such party that tries to skirt the fine line you are inferring here. Just recently, someone leaked exerpts from their Whatsapp channel in which party leaders openly used slogans of the NPD, a hardcore nazi party. And they not only repeat those slogans, they openly discuss how they could overthrow the Government and implement fascist rule in Germany again. How they'd have to purge the media, sack every CEO in media companies and force everyone into line.

This isn't an idle threat. This is actual politicians in Germany's extreme right wing talking like that. This is not theoretical. The party leader confirmed those messages, albeit tried to downplay them. This isn't constructive criticism. This is the people you're defending belonging to the same group that wants to actually, literally repeat the Nazi power grab and install the 5th Reich, if you want to call it that. They even talk about expansion plans. Is this verbatim enough for you?

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Germany have a history with far-right bullshit. I'm not surprised they take it more seriously than most other countries.

And for good reason, too. We have to be vigilant. This isn't a joke. This is serious reality. Never waver.

[spanishninja]

Don't engage in actions that are illegal if you don't want to risk being punished, seems simple enough to me.

But they weren't illegal until these laws came into play. The whole point is that they're trying to make legislation to ban something that isn't unlawful yet.

[Deleted]

Losing a argument?

Invoke Putin.

No, i am sure everyone should protect a dictator who infests western social media with propaganda.

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But they weren't illegal until these laws came into play. The whole point is that they're trying to make legislation to ban something that isn't unlawful yet.

They already were illegal before, or those people would not have been punished. The law you talk about wants to punish social media outlets if they dont ban illegal content, as like public insults or sedition. Currently, social media is not being held responsible for their content, and the government wants to make laws to give them responsibility. Its just about allowing justice to fine social media outlets like facebook or twitter, if they dont react in a given time.

Putins media outlets try to pretend that germany is adding laws that allow them to punish controversial opinions about immigration, which is just not true. There is no limiitation for anyone in germany to have controversial opinions about immigration, liberalism and democracy, you just may not ask people to get guns and kill everyone for that sake, as you also may not publically denounce groups of people or personalities.

[Deleted]

I am german and I am proud to be german.
With all the refugees - and believe me: there are alot (I am living next to the austrian border) - the peoples acceptance is decreasing by time. The main problem is: We are not talking about asylum anymore, we are talking about integrating them in our society - which is almost impossible due to the lack of people who can care about the refugees or the religion problems and so on.

So now the mind of the people is swichting slowly. Getting more and more radical. At the moment I live in austria and over here, the majority of "political-right-oriented" people is growing rapidly. The same is with germany.

Trying to raid people who post racism stuff, is a poor attempt. Its fighting against wind-mills. The main reason why people are so angry is something else. Unsecured borders of the EU. This is just my opinion. Another thing is: Many are just so angry, because they cant do ANYTHING. Now even if they would never offend some immigrants in real life, they do this in the internet (with the anonymity). One has to understand some of our people, who are just angry and dont know what else to do.

[Deleted]

Curiously goverment officials can openly insult citizens who don't agree with their policies without any backlash from anywhere.

No, they can not.

Additionaly the Merkel government has been ammassing power, taking it away from the federal states, thereby taking it away from the citizens. Today the goverment will approve a law to to allow goverment agencies to hack the smartphones of German citizens.

Merkel has not more power than before, nothing actually changed in that context. You know, in germany, justice and government are different units, and not combined, so the government is not getting any more power by allowing justice to access smartphone in court cases, but instead allowing a broader range of investigation for criminal cases.

In my book, Merkel is nothing more than a Trump with a vagina (and a better haircut obviously)

In your book, the AFD also is a democratic party, i assume. And in your book, Russia Today is a valid media outlet. As you quote their stereotypes.

[ranzino]

I recommend this book. Sure, it is satirical, but still.. frightening in some ways.

https://www.google.nl/search?q=Er+is...w=1536&bih=793

It's a movie already. and sometimes a newspaper got a weird layout.
https://twitter.com/tagesspiegel/sta...63332584366080