America Is Now a ‘Second Tier’ Country

[JohnBrown1917]

Yeah, that's what it boils down to at the citizen level, at the governmental/industry level it's all profit chasing of course. But by all means, let us cut our defense spending in half or more, dissolve NATO and pull back our missile shields and we'll see how long Europe and elsewhere can maintain their generous social programs with their ragtag Boy Scout military.

It'd be no problem, we spend less per capita on Healthcare than the US.

[Kathandira]

US is more interested in waging wars, than providing for its own people. I mean a 500-600-700Bl military budget while there are kids that can't afford college.
Who is to blame other than the voters?

The government, because voting does matter with the way the system is built. Our votes are only 'taken into consideration', but the officials get the final say in who gets voted in.

[Taso]

US is more interested in waging wars, than providing for its own people. I mean a 500-600-700Bl military budget while there are kids that can't afford college.
Who is to blame other than the voters?

But you don't need college. I blame democrats for not funding vocational schools and providing alternative education. No let's go to Harvard because all the kids are doing it as the man/woman democrat in D.C. says.

[Damajin]

It'd be no problem, we spend less per capita on Healthcare than the US.

Social programs include more than healthcare.

It'd be interesting to see but unfortunately I don't think it'll happen, too many international investors on both sides of the world literally banking on the status quo. Almost makes me wish for the solar EMP pulse.

[Release]

Private would be better though my dude

Sure, it absolutely works for America.

[JohnBrown1917]

not when you have to wait for hours to see anyone and critical people just suffer and die in hospital corridors (this has happened more than once in the UK)

Nah, that is bullshit here.
UK with the tories in charge? Ye, they hate the poor and sick, we know.

[Mittens]

Sure, but the US is already low on that list, the point of it being below all those other countries is already made.

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It has nothing to do with socialism.

It also speaks of nations that are doing fine for white people but not for minorities. Also, I'm not denying that America is low on that list, though I would like a list comparing that.

[Nero Stormchester]

Top-tier universities, and by a long ways.

UK universities are both better and cheaper , try again.

[Spectral]

Some of the subdivision/neighborhoods in the inner cities are nice too. Ones like Brentwood.

It's also easy enough to find highly mixed/diverse neighborhoods/cities that are very nice, like San Marino and Palo Alto, but apparently this isn't the right kind of diversity - Asian people have a way of just seeming about the same as whites when people are pushing Diversity as virtuous.

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But you don't need college. I blame democrats for not funding vocational schools and providing alternative education. No let's go to Harvard because all the kids are doing it as the man/woman democrat in D.C. says.

Everyone that can get into Harvard is well served by going to Harvard. Pretty much all Harvard grads go onto highly lucrative careers. For low-income people, the cost is substantially defrayed and often nearly free.

The problem isn't Harvard, it's shitty local colleges with low graduation rates.

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UK universities are both better and cheaper , try again.

Well, no, the UK has competitive universities at the top tier, but don't have anywhere near as deep of a pool of great schools. The UK's collection of schools is comparable to California's. I certainly tip my hat to the UK for being the other academically elite country though - they're really the only nation that can plausibly claim to be the equal of the United States. Continental European countries are light years behind - each one only has one or two universities comparable to a dozen or more in the US and UK.

[Taso]

I was reading a report from the national monitor They were saying that congress in general wether it's under democrats or republicans doesn't matter they spend over millions even possibly billions of taxes on useless research such as how fraternities smoke and drink and sleep much later instead of funding cures such as HIV, cancers and diabetes or building up a more efficient and effective nuclear reactor.
Here's the link http://natmonitor.com/2017/03/09/you...hese-projects/

[DeadmanWalking]

When the American $ is not the denomination that the world trades in then you can call it #2. Losing that is something you don't get back, ask Britain. It is a massively powerful position to be in when the rest of the world makes trades with the value of the dollar being the backbone of all currency trade.

Nobody trusts Chinese money because the Chinese manipulate the value of their currency at the flip of the coin and Russian economy is pretty shit right now.

[Phlegethon]

Blame Bloomberg Business for the title, I copied it.

That organization that goes around rating countries based on how socialist the country is has released another list, the usual culprits are on it. It's a US based organization that I believe wants to promote more socialism in the US.

The US easily wins when it comes to access to higher education but it doesn't win on other socialist metrics free health care etc.

I would've thought Japan would be much higher on the list.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d-tier-country



America leads the world when it comes to access to higher education. But when it comes to health, environmental protection, and fighting discrimination, it trails many other developed countries, according to the Social Progress Imperative, a U.S.-based nonprofit.

The results of the group’s annual survey, which ranks nations based on 50 metrics, call to mind other reviews of national well-being, such as the World Happiness Report released in March, which was led by Norway, Denmark, and Iceland, or September’s Lancet study on sustainable development. In that one, Iceland, Singapore, Sweden, and the U.S. took spots 1, 2, 3, and 28—respectively.

The Social Progress Index released this week is compiled from social and environmental data that come as close as possible to revealing how people live. “We want to measure a country’s health and wellness achieved, not how much effort is expended, nor how much the country spends on healthcare,” the report states. Scandinavia walked away with the top four of 128 slots. Denmark scored the highest. America came in at 18.

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Oh honey. So scared of the reds? I doubt the US can win when it comes to access to higher education, it costs about 4 kidneys and an arm to be able to go to universities. That said, it's also lower quality, people get a pass since they pay so much. They cross the ocean, come here and drop out because it's too hard, but at least it's cheap.
Anyway, your country is lower tier because indeed, you are unable to help your people, sick people should have access to medical help, regardless if they are able to pay for it or not. It shows how backwards a country is if people suffering from cancer get evicted because they can't pay medical bills, that's just beyond retarded. The lack of higher education is also why you can't see the fact that it's just sad...

[Tehshocka]

Fine,

But we're #1 in money and power and in the grand scheme of things, that's all that really matters.

I know MMO-C OT hates America, but don't worry, when shit goes crazy you will come calling for daddy and we will do what we do best. Deliver Freedom.

[JohnBrown1917]

Fine,

But we're #1 in money and power and in the grand scheme of things, that's all that really matters.

I know MMO-C OT hates America, but don't worry, when shit goes crazy you will come calling for daddy and we will do what we do best. Deliver Freedom.

Im sure the lower classes are really happy with that.

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France also just elected a right wing president who now has an overwhelming majority.

What? /10char.

[JohnBrown1917]

What? /10char.

Its just as a I said?

[Allybeboba]

I was reading a report from the national monitor They were saying that congress in general wether it's under democrats or republicans doesn't matter they spend over millions even possibly billions of taxes on useless research such as how fraternities smoke and drink and sleep much later instead of funding cures such as HIV, cancers and diabetes or building up a more efficient and effective nuclear reactor.
Here's the link http://natmonitor.com/2017/03/09/you...hese-projects/

Lot of funding for stuff like that comes from donations. Americans donate to charity more than any other country in the world.

[Tehshocka]

Not even that.

Oh really do explain?

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Its just as a I said?

Macron wouldn't be right wing even if he was elected in Soviet Union. He's a left wing federalist.

[Louisa Bannon]

Scandinavian- and European countries for that matter, are consistently placed at the top of studies like this, and the Human Development Index, not to mention something as simple as happiness, maybe there's a reason.

Straight up, Americans are quite simply very stupid as a rule. Just for starters, Americans NEVER talk about class structure literally as if it didn't exist. I mean, most of the morons that voted for Trump actually thought he was serious about many of his more obvious lies and still support this asshole exactly as if they were members of the same class and had a lot in common with President Cheeto, a failed business man born into extravagant wealth. They think Trump legitimately wants to help them instead of just use them for their gullibility and voting power. I'd say its reasonably well documented that the biggest economic losers in the next 3-4 years are Trump's supports. Many still do not fucking get it and probably never will.

The existence of Trump means almost nothing to me, and will have little to zero impact on me no matter what fool things he manages to accomplish. But you have to wonder about people that very consistently vote against their own interests.


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