America Is Now a ‘Second Tier’ Country

[Tehshocka]

The biggest issue we have here in America is people having zero self accountability.

[Svad1287]

Ever heard of the term proximity?

As the EU gives up their homes/values to islam. It's okay I love the Brits and Pols! Same with the sweedes! Come on over.

Sweeden #1 in hottest women. I can admit that !

Eh, we arent giving up our homes / values to Islam, thats Breitbart and similar "news" outlets, that wanna sell subs or papers.

Sweden has to some extent given in, but are working hard, to reverse the trend.

Norway, doesnt have that much of a problem, since they are the "top" country seen in geography.
Denmark, has made alot of changes, that made the immigrants choose to stay in Germany and France. We deport those commit crimes, and "escort" islamist, who promote hate / Sharia / Caliphate stuff, out of the country.

[Zecora]

They are all about redistribution of wealth, more government control and less personal freedoms. I couldn't care less if one is 50% manure while the other is 100%, I still wouldn't want to jump into it.

Beyond help it is then!

Seriously, the amount of butthurt Americans in this thread is hilarious!

That having been said, all honour to those who instead say "okay, perhaps we should try to do better for our poor and ill citizens". You're good people.

[JohnBrown1917]

Btw https://www.homelessworldcup.org/hom...stics/#america

homelessness ranged from 1.6 to 3.5 million people

In a population of 321 million that is roughly 1.09% of the US population.

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So you addressed it by posting a homeless person link.

Yet totally ignored that the graph showed how a single mom can make more money than some people in a professional job. Just because she spread her legs and knows how to game the system.

Interesting.

I did not ignore it.

[Deleted]

Beyond help it is then!

Seriously, the amount of butthurt Americans in this thread is hilarious!

That having been said, all honour to those who instead say "okay, perhaps we should try to do better for our poor and ill citizens". You're good people.

Ok entertain us then, where does the money to pay for your "free" college and healthcare and all the other things come from then? Is god gonna send it down once you become socialist?

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That having been said, all honour to those who instead say "okay, perhaps we should try to do better for our poor and ill citizens". You're good people.

How about by not giving them free stuff and training them to live off handouts? But instead enabling them to get control over their own lives. There are no poor people, there are just bad life choices.. with a few exceptions like incurable diseases and the like.

[Taso]

The research isn't "useless" as you say. Many breakthroughs have been made by researchers.
We can have government, public and charitable funding can't we?
I have had the same doctor for 35 years, my children have had the same doctors their entire lives. The same dentist for 25 years. The same eye doctor for 25 years. With socialized medicine we wouldn't be able to do this.

I told you I don't have problem with charity or being independent. I don't have problem with research but it should be effective.
I'm a republican btw and a center supporter of the trump administration. But what I'm saying is their are too many programs that are senseless I mean really studying frats? That money could be used to study how homeless people and mental health correlate or how pressure from society can cause a breakdown on mental health.

[Deleted]

Next you're gonna say Merkel is also not rght wing.

That's most likely because she's not - she's a centrist if anything (and left leaning at that if you look at the stance of her party).

If you want a right wing German party, take a look at Alternative für Deutschland.

[Narwal]

It doesn't matter how much you spend. Your healthcare system is SHIT and it doesn't even make top 30.

But yo know all this, warmonger, because we've had this conversation 37 times.

Hit ya right in the gut when you look at the numbers objectively and your false generalities of a government that doesn't help at home is proven false. We can't make claims that our government doesn't spend on our education or healthcare when we lead in spending on those things.

You are right that the end results of our healthcare come back less than stellar compared to some other countries, unfortunately though that's mostly not the fault of the healthcare system, and more a problem of our society. With freedom comes responsibility, personal responsibility, and that's something our society is bad at. I'm not here to argue for or against freedoms that allow a society to indulge in unhealthy things. That is, however, our problem, indulgence.

Our education system fails not because of a lack of resources, but because of a lack of emphasis in certain parts of our society on hard work, dedication, persistence and respect. Do most want to succeed in being educated well? Yes! Do some drop that desire to avoid the difficulty, focus and endurance that getting educated takes? Yes! Unfortunately, all it takes is some of these people in a classroom to drag down others around them who are willing to work for that hard education. It snowballs from there.

[Zecora]

Ok entertain us then, where does the money to pay for your "free" college and healthcare and all the other things come from then? Is god gonna send it down once you become socialist?

Really not going to waste my time on someone who is A) Ideologically incapable of grasping a concept, and B) Clearly uninterested in learning.

How about by not giving them free stuff and training them to live off handouts? But instead enabling them to get control over their own lives. There are no poor people, there are just bad life choices.. with a few exceptions like incurable diseases and the like.

Fun fact: The Nordic countries have a LOWER percentage of their populace that is dependent on government welfare programs to survive, than the US does. So how is that "not giving them free stuff" and "enabling them to get control over their own lives." working out for you?

Seriously, you and people like you, who claim that "There are no poor people, there are just bad life choices." make me fucking sick. I sincerely hope you get to experience real poverty at some point.

[Deleted]

Really not going to waste my time on someone who is A) Ideologically incapable of grasping a concept, and B) Clearly uninterested in learning.

You refuse to answer my question again. Does socialism mean you take money from people (against their will as mandatory taxes) and use it to buy free stuff, services etc. for others who could just as well pay for it themselves(it doesn't matter whether they can afford to or not). If Im wrong about this and socialists actually don't redistribute wealth at all and socialist countries don't have large governments, then please enlighten me. Also if that is the case, what does socialism stand for then?

If Im right however, then clearly this has nothing to do with "learning" as my morals say individual rights and freedoms always come before the greater good, whatever that may be.

Fun fact: The Nordic countries have a LOWER percentage of their populace that is dependent on government welfare programs to survive, than the US does. So how is that "not giving them free stuff" and "enabling them to get control over their own lives." working out for you?

Seriously, you and people like you, who claim that "There are no poor people, there are just bad life choices." make me fucking sick. I sincerely hope you get to experience real poverty at some point.

So you're saying that in Nordic countries, even though education and healthcare is free, everyone still chooses to pay for it? Somehow I really really doubt it.

Oh and I was poor, I literally had nothing after high school but instead I started my own business and now I can't really complain. I never asked for handouts.. so whats wrong with expecting others to be able to do the same.. or hell, just get a min wage job.

[Deleted]

"Sweden yes!" countries on top of that list. I'd be proud to be last. Muh raycism.

[Independent voter]

Ok entertain us then, where does the money to pay for your "free" college and healthcare and all the other things come from then? Is god gonna send it down once you become socialist?

The money comes from the well off. A family of four where the mom and dad works with a combined income of $120K a year, not an insane amount of money spend like $5K a year or more on taxes for health care alone.

In the US the same family would spend from $0 to $1K a year, depending on how much their employer covers.

The rich pay for the poor in those socialist countries.

[Dmitro]

You know your country goes the right direction when a socialist leftie outlet removes your from their top-20 list.

[Ivanstone]

Our education system fails not because of a lack of resources, but because of a lack of emphasis in certain parts of our society on hard work, dedication, persistence and respect. Do most want to succeed in being educated well? Yes! Do some drop that desire to avoid the difficulty, focus and endurance that getting educated takes? Yes! Unfortunately, all it takes is some of these people in a classroom to drag down others around them who are willing to work for that hard education. It snowballs from there.

Your education system fails because some districts have shitty amounts of resources. Some districts have the money to buy 60 million dollar stadiums for the high school football team. Both shouldn't be happening.

[Runenwächter]

The Forum Putins dont like Donald anymore.

What a development, from "Hooray Donald" to "America is all about war!".

Thats not really a contradiction. An elected president doesnt change the countrys direction, not overnight and most likely not at all. This is especially true for american foreign politics and geostrategic decisions. Former presidents of the united states, former high ranking military and three letter agency officials will confirm that. Or, you know, ask Vladimir Putin, he says the same.
In the election a political outsider simply seemed to have more promise in that regard than a political insider that was known to follow a line of thought that people didnt agree with anymore. Well, that was part of the whole issue that got him elected, not THE issue. Trump turned out to be inadequate in that regard too, he learned in a quite humiliating (although I doubt that gets through to him) that he is only able to work from within the system and that any such action will only be permissible if he moves within certain boudaries. Attemps to bypass or work around the system will not be tolerated.

[Svad1287]

Why are you telling me this?

To be honest I have no idea, why I wrote that.

Beklager.

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The money comes from the well off. A family of four where the mom and dad works with a combined income of $120K a year, not an insane amount of money spend like $5K a year or more on taxes for health care alone.

In the US the same family would spend from $0 to $1K a year, depending on how much their employer covers.

The rich pay for the poor in those socialist countries.

And how exactly is that ok? I mean if I have no car and you have two, can I just come and take one of yours? That's absurd.. I really don't get how left can just justify theft with "but I need it more".

[Selastan]

US is more interested in waging wars, than providing for its own people. I mean a 500-600-700Bl military budget while there are kids that can't afford college.
Who is to blame other than the voters?

Not everyone needs to go to college. Everyone does need to live. Military > Free higher education.

[Independent voter]

And how exactly is that ok? I mean if I have no car and you have two, can I just come and take one of yours? That's absurd.. I really don't get how left can just justify theft with "but I need it more".

I think the rich in these countries don't mind paying for the poor as long as the poor look like they do. It's diversity that ruins the system, people resent giving money to people who don't look like they do.

You can see this in the US as all white states usually have better social services than diverse states.

[ro9ue]

Scandinavia has the luxury of having a super low population. It's much easier to manage a country of 3-5 million people than 150 million people. When things go wrong in Denmark, they can fix it rather dynamically and don't have to fear a global crisis as a result. When shit hits the fan in the US, it usually does so in a rather violent fashion and drags the entire world economy down with them.

Now, this isn't just about having a low population, the US tend to favour risky and volatile solutions, which is part of the problem... but a low population certainly gives Scandinavian countries more wriggle room for social experiments. Like Finland's basic income scheme just now.

This really is the crux of the problem that people don't generally understand. Socialism works much better when you can more easily have a birds eye view of the entire population of just 3 million. It's gets incredibly messy and unmanageable when you're talking about 300 million.

To put it into simpler terms, imagine you're a chieftain of a village. You have 30 people. Very easily can you be able to understand more specific and nuanced circumstances of particular members of your group, and know how to distribute resources accordingly. Now expand that a hundred fold to 3,000 people. You would absolutely need to start enlisting the help of lieutenants and other people to help you distribute stuff. Some people are going to get overlooked. It's a lot harder to have blanket rules that work for that many more individuals, etc etc.