Bernie and Jane Sanders, under FBI investigation for bank fraud, hire lawyers

[Kasierith]

People aren't pushing him for another presidential run, they are pushin for his policies which when polled have an overwhelming support.

Polls and public support are fine and such, but the people supporting his ideas have a strong tendency not to show up to the polls. That "overwhelming support" has not shown itself to be of any consideration beyond internet noise.

[Theinquisition]

When you or anyone has proven what I've said are conspiracy "theories", let us know. Otherwise it's just empty name-calling and diversion.

Everything I said on Skroe above is true. He's attacked people relentlessly since before the election as I pointed out.

Oh boy caolela is back.

How ya doing big fella?

[Ripster42]

When you or anyone has proven what I've said are conspiracy "theories", let us know. Otherwise it's just empty name-calling and diversion.

Everything I said on Skroe above is true. He's attacked people relentlessly since before the election as I pointed out.

Whatever clown show. (This is name calling)

It's not name calling to call someone who spouts conspiracy theories a conspiracy theorist. What's diversion is:

That, and let's not forget Skroe's undying support for the Clinton bunch before the election, for months on end ridiculing everyone as a "Berniebro!" or a "Trumpkin!" - until she unexpectedly lost and he made himself scarce for a few weeks after. Even if you didn't support either of them, if you didn't support his choice of Hillary then you were troll bait.

Now he's invented a new moniker for those who don't knee-jerk jump on the phony Russia hate bandwagon...you're a "Putinista!" This is supposed to mean you want to have Putin's baby (and by extension, Trump's) and love everything they've ever done simply because you know better than to believe the establishment Dem's lies on Russia.

Has nothing to do with the thread.

[Mormolyce]

Again, this is his wife.

[Mittens]

Again, this is his wife.

Are we supposed to believe that Sanders had no knowledge about it?

[Celista]

For the payment part:



Accouting errors my ass. They knew they were lying.

And the donnor had minor health issues thats quite a stretch from that to dying.

I mean no offense but I have never heard of the website you linked before, so I am not inclined to take it seriously. Do you have a better link?

[kail]

Again, this is his wife.

Which is why it looks bad.

[Mormolyce]

Which is why it looks bad.

Sins of the... wife?

That's not even an expression.

[kail]

Sins of the... wife?

That's not even an expression.

Of all the relationships, spouses tend to be the closest. One doing something illegal has a good possibility that the other had knowledge or direct involvement. If Bernie's wife is found guilty, don't be suprised to see him investigated as well. Nothing is certain and assumptions at this point would be weak either way. It still doesn't look good.

[Forogil]

Sins of the... wife?

That's not even an expression.

But "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion" is an expression, and two thousand years old - and Caesar did divorce his wife to avoid the suspicion.

[schwarzkopf]

If Bernie has been doing bank fraud, he pretty much sucks at it... he doesn't have enough money

[kreationkin]

Yes I know. I'm not claiming that.

But you know what/ Those policies will be better served with another front man than a compromised septuagenarian hypocrite.

If I were you, and I believed what liberals believed, I'd throw him in the nearest, hottest volcano I can find.

Public figures are disposable. When one blows it, find another Let natural selection weed out the charlatans. THe policy and the politics will be better for it.

Skroe is nailing this on the head here, if right now you're justifying in your head "there's no way Bernie could be involved in something like that, they're just trying to drag his name through the mud" instead of applying the same suspicion you do to Trump when you hear about his shady dealings you are sucked into a cult of personality instead of acting objectively. If Bernie and his wife have been knowingly committing crimes they should be punished and ostracized, I don't want them as my leader. They may have said good things, had good ideas, and had policies I agreed with; none of that is relevant. I will continue to support the policies I agree with and find someone who isn't trying to put one over on us to vote for.

[Mittens]

This is the most minor case of bank fraud I ever heard. People pretending this is some gigantic crime have their heads up their asses and must have 0 experience with taking loans for big projects. Banks always need a bit of convincing and prodding before they give out big loans, and it's usually the banks who are the cunts that encourage people to present more favorable conditions whenever they start acting stubborn with a carrot-on-a-stick towards people who are trying to get a loan.

This is a non-story, if the only filth people have on Sanders is that a bank is upset at him because his wife presented a slightly higher donations income... then I consider that a boon to Sanders' reputation.

Almost everyone has at one point been a bit generous with presenting their own income to convince banks to give out a loan, and this wasn't even for themselves, but for a school.

The bank is not mad, in fact they got 20 million $ in assets for the price of 6 million $.

[Adam Jensen]

This is the most minor case of bank fraud I ever heard. People pretending this is some gigantic crime have their heads up their asses and must have 0 experience with taking loans for big projects. Banks always need a bit of convincing and prodding before they give out big loans, and it's usually the banks who are the cunts that encourage people to present more favorable conditions whenever they start acting stubborn with a carrot-on-a-stick towards people who are trying to get a loan.

This is a non-story, if the only filth people have on Sanders is that a bank is upset at him because his wife presented a slightly higher donations income... then I consider that a boon to Sanders' reputation.

Almost everyone has at one point been a bit generous with presenting their own income to convince banks to give out a loan, and this wasn't even for themselves, but for a school.

Yeah, this one sounds like angsty right wingers trying to tarnish Bernie's name.

But . . . if the Sanders are guilty of wrongdoing, they deserve to be punished by law and I'll be deeply disappointed, as Bernie was one of the few in Congress I believed to be honest and genuine. Which to me, was more valuable than his promises.

[Dmitro]

Theres a big chance Bernie is another "evil 1%" socialist who is also secretely rich and engaged in some kind of illegal financial schemes.
a classic story

[Forogil]

This is the most minor case of bank fraud I ever heard. People pretending this is some gigantic crime have their heads up their asses and must have 0 experience with taking loans for big projects. Banks always need a bit of convincing and prodding before they give out big loans, and it's usually the banks who are the cunts that encourage people to present more favorable conditions whenever they start acting stubborn with a carrot-on-a-stick towards people who are trying to get a loan.

Most business, colleges, and states have grand plans that don't come true, and banks are not cunts - but doing their job of not lending to fairy tales.

Since the college went out of business when the plan failed it seems the bank did its job. (Btw - Trump still seems to be leading 4-1 in terms of bankruptcies :-).

Before the housing bubble burst in mid-2000s some banks did encourage a lot of people to present overblown statements (with lots of bank frauds for less); but since this happened in 2010 I would need a lot more evidence to believe that the bank encouraged this. It seems more likely that Jane Sanders did this to show her worth to the college - similarly as in many other cases of fraud.

[mvaliz]

Of all the relationships, spouses tend to be the closest. One doing something illegal has a good possibility that the other had knowledge or direct involvement. If Bernie's wife is found guilty, don't be suprised to see him investigated as well. Nothing is certain and assumptions at this point would be weak either way. It still doesn't look good.

Soooo... what you're saying is that there's a pretty good chance Melania might also be involved in the Russian Scandal and firing of James Comey? Really?

[BrerBear]

People who thought (and still think) that Bernie would have been so electable... *sigh*.
The oppo research on him was a mile high, but there was so much incentive for Republicans not to use it. Almost comical to see little bits of it coming to light after the fact.

[PosPosPos]

Approximately 20-30 years ago banks used to hand out $300.000 loans even to unemployed people. The economy was soaring back then and small businesses popped up out of the ground everywhere, most of them turning into the giant corporations we know today.

Nowadays you're lucky if banks even loan young families $100.000 with a 6 digit income, to buy a house, and the interest rates are higher than ever too.

I'm sorry, but pretending like today's banks aren't total crooks and con-artists today compared to the standards they used to operate with, is wrong on so many levels.

It's simply the fact that conservatism of today somehow means acting out the opposite of what has worked in the past or is working in the present, to the extent where they somehow use any such success stories to support their twisted contrarian conclusions.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Somehow I doubt Bernie would do that.

But hey, let's wait and see eh?