Some historical perspective to US-Russia "cyberwarfare" from 2009

[Daelak]

As are you my friend.

Not really, unless you think it is normal for a sitting US president to be under investigation for collusion with our number one adversary.

[Allybeboba]

Not really, unless you think it is normal for a sitting US president to be under investigation for collusion with our number one adversary.

Is he actually under investigation or are people speculating that he is under investigation?

[Edge-]

Did people think the Democrats were going to win or not?

What relevance does that have?

[Allybeboba]

What relevance does that have?

The quote of mine you quoted.

[Edge-]

My quote you quoted.

Except that doesn't say squat. It's just a Kellyanne talking point right now, and one she's never bothered to qualify.

Thinking that Hillary would win doesn't have an impact on Obama's actions, whoever the next leader would be would need to deal with it and one would hope that either candidate would have taken the matter quite seriously. Because we all know if Obama had publicly acted upon it Trump and conservatives would have jumped on him trying to illegally influence the election etc. etc. and played directly into Trump's claims of a rigged election. How long did Trump and Republicans spend denying Russia was responsible, or even involved? Even after Trump had won and been briefed on the matter?

No, you're just being dishonest as usual. I was really hoping you'd be slightly more interesting : /

[Allybeboba]

Except that doesn't say squat. It's just a Kellyanne talking point right now, and one she's never bothered to qualify.

Thinking that Hillary would win doesn't have an impact on Obama's actions, whoever the next leader would be would need to deal with it and one would hope that either candidate would have taken the matter quite seriously. Because we all know if Obama had publicly acted upon it Trump and conservatives would have jumped on him trying to illegally influence the election etc. etc. and played directly into Trump's claims of a rigged election. How long did Trump and Republicans spend denying Russia was responsible, or even involved? Even after Trump had won and been briefed on the matter?

No, you're just being dishonest as usual. I was really hoping you'd be slightly more interesting : /

Pure speculation, we don't know what would have happened had he acted.

[Orbitus]

Pure speculation, we don't know what would have happened had he acted.

We know that conservatives would be screaming foul had he acted to help Hillary in any way by trying to stop the Russian hackers.

[Allybeboba]

We know that conservatives would be screaming foul had he acted to help Hillary in any way by trying to stop the Russian hackers.

Pure speculation that people would be upset with the former PotUS for actively trying to stop the Russians. It was his duty to protect the US from outside influences.

[Daelak]

Is he actually under investigation or are people speculating that he is under investigation?

Right, an investigation into the Trump campaign for collusion has nothing to do with Trump himself. Pretty dense.

[Allybeboba]

Right, an investigation into the Trump campaign for collusion has nothing to do with Trump himself. Pretty dense.

Ah yes, the usual petty personal insults. How typical.
Who else is 'under investigation' as a result of all of these findings?

[Daelak]

Ah yes, the usual petty personal insults. How typical.
Who else is 'under investigation' as a result of all of these findings?

It isn't petty, it takes willful ignorance on your part to conclude that an investigation of Trump's campaign wouldn't have anything to do with Trump. What findings are you referring to?

[Orbitus]

Pure speculation that people would be upset with the former PotUS for actively trying to stop the Russians. It was his duty to protect the US from outside influences.

No, its not. Considering Conservatives got butthurt for EVERYTHING that he did, good, bad, neutral common sense bullshit. It didn't matter to them because if he did it, they were against it. Even if it helped them.

[Kellhound]

Russia has a clear advantage in cyber warfare, they have significantly less computers per capita than the US resulting in far fewer attack vectors. You cant hack a slide rule!

[Shalcker]

Russia has a clear advantage in cyber warfare, they have significantly less computers per capita than the US resulting in far fewer attack vectors. You cant hack a slide rule!

Actually we have advantage in education primarily.

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Compared to the United States there are quite a few more high school students in Russia who choose to specialize in information technology subjects. One way to measure this is to look at the number of high school students in the two countries who opt to take the advanced placement exam for computer science.

According to an analysis (PDF) by The College Board, in the ten years between 2005 and 2016 a total of 270,000 high school students in the United States opted to take the national exam in computer science (the “Computer Science Advanced Placement” exam).

Compare that to the numbers from Russia: A 2014 study (PDF) on computer science (called “Informatics” in Russia) by the Perm State National Research University found that roughly 60,000 Russian students register each year to take their nation’s equivalent to the AP exam — known as the “Unified National Examination.” Extrapolating that annual 60,000 number over ten years suggests that more than twice as many people in Russia — 600,000 — have taken the computer science exam at the high school level over the past decade.

In “A National Talent Strategy,” an in-depth analysis from Microsoft Corp. on the outlook for information technology careers, the authors warn that despite its critical and growing importance computer science is taught in only a small minority of U.S. schools. The Microsoft study notes that although there currently are just over 42,000 high schools in the United States, only 2,100 of them were certified to teach the AP computer science course in 2011.

[Kellhound]

Actually we have advantage in education primarily.

Quote:
Compared to the United States there are quite a few more high school students in Russia who choose to specialize in information technology subjects. One way to measure this is to look at the number of high school students in the two countries who opt to take the advanced placement exam for computer science.

According to an analysis (PDF) by The College Board, in the ten years between 2005 and 2016 a total of 270,000 high school students in the United States opted to take the national exam in computer science (the “Computer Science Advanced Placement” exam).

Compare that to the numbers from Russia: A 2014 study (PDF) on computer science (called “Informatics” in Russia) by the Perm State National Research University found that roughly 60,000 Russian students register each year to take their nation’s equivalent to the AP exam — known as the “Unified National Examination.” Extrapolating that annual 60,000 number over ten years suggests that more than twice as many people in Russia — 600,000 — have taken the computer science exam at the high school level over the past decade.

In “A National Talent Strategy,” an in-depth analysis from Microsoft Corp. on the outlook for information technology careers, the authors warn that despite its critical and growing importance computer science is taught in only a small minority of U.S. schools. The Microsoft study notes that although there currently are just over 42,000 high schools in the United States, only 2,100 of them were certified to teach the AP computer science course in 2011.

Yet at the level it really matters, quality, Russia is an also ran. Of the 50 best college computer science programs, Russia only has one (way down at #48). The top 4 are in the US, as are 22 of the top 50.

[Shalcker]

Yet at the level it really matters, quality, Russia is an also ran. Of the 50 best college computer science programs, Russia only has one (way down at #48). The top 4 are in the US, as are 22 of the top 50.

Most of IT knowledge is of self-taught, not college variety once you understand the basics.

And while having some good programs you're simply not going to have enough domestic IT specialists going forward.

[Kellhound]

Most of IT knowledge is of self-taught, not college variety once you understand the basics.

And while having some good programs you're simply not going to have enough domestic IT specialists going forward.

Given the Russian programmers I work with, I would say self taught is a poor substitute for a proper education.

Unlike Russia (unless you are a traitor wanted for leaking classified data), IT people like to come to America, so we have no troubles if we fall short in domestic supply.

[Shalcker]

Given the Russian programmers I work with, I would say self taught is a poor substitute for a proper education.

Unlike Russia (unless you are a traitor wanted for leaking classified data), IT people like to come to America, so we have no troubles if we fall short in domestic supply.

Another crash and/or tightening of H1B visas by Trump and it can easily become "history".

[Kellhound]

Another crash and/or tightening of H1B visas by Trump and it can easily become "history".

If there is a crash, we wouldnt need any outside talent influx anyway, and the H1B is abused more than its used properly.