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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by psyquest View Post
    warlocks have 2 top tier specs. padding or no padding Blizzard have a huge amount of logs to show what classes are at the bottom with no second dps spec to fall back to and which classes are doing too good, regardless of padding, with no weakness at all.

    One can be blind, but the numbers are there and are clear for everyone to see. You can take every fight and same classes shine and same classes are at the bottom.

    Changes from blizzard are unavoidable.
    Well, the boss design itself also plays a role here. In a raid with just single target fights the numbers would look different.
    Now, warlock is clearly one of the stronger classes right now and I'm sure Blizzard will take a look at that but the overall balance is still quite a good and buffing up a few of the weaker specs is really more important that nerfing specs that can cheese like crazy.

  2. #22
    If we are to go by these forums, everyone are underpowered and needs massive buffs.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siglius View Post
    If we are to go by these forums, everyone are underpowered and needs massive buffs.
    Buff <my class> and nerf <the class of the guy topping meters in my guild>.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Myz View Post
    Buff <my class> and nerf <the class of the guy topping meters in my guild>.
    "My class sucks too, thats why I got benched on progress. Finally someone who understands me"

  5. #25
    All the people claiming padding is the reason why a class appears to be doing so well, you know that that you can choose an individual boss from the drop down, right? Take Goroth, essentially the tank and spank boss, and you will see the state of each class/spec. Although, there will invariably be more parses skewing the data since he is the first, and arguably the easiest boss so more players are going after him first, but it is still a fairly good basis for the state of specs. Warlocks are doing very well, all three are middle of the pack or higher so I don't see what everyone is complaining about. Look to the 1 mil range and lower.
    Last edited by Hellrime; 2017-06-26 at 02:20 PM.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by klaps_05 View Post
    Feels like they forgot to also add 3% dmg to Frost while they buffed arcane and fire.
    It is one of the best damage specs in the game, but that is true at the highest levels and much less so as you fall down the charts. Even within top mages most of the fights have a frost mage at the top out of everybody but the drop is quick and rapid within the spec.
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    While I do agree that the effect of padding on Demonic Inquisition (and to some extent Fallen Avatar) is distorting the picture, taking a patchwerk fight as an example isn't really helpful because that's not really your typical fight anyway.
    I don't think there is a need for nerfs yet; maybe in two weeks when we have a clear picture (once Mythic is likely down and enough people have 4t20 and a good trinket from ToS). What is certainly needed is buffs for the classes with a single dps spec that sucks (WW, Ret, Havoc) and maybe for the other outliers at the bottom (Survival, Frost). Something like a 5% for Ret and Havoc, and nearly 10% for WW or maybe something more specific (Ret for instance needs about +10% on ST and doesn't really need a buff on AoE/cleave so they could just buff TV by a significant amount and call it a day/WW sucks at EVERYTHING)
    Agreed! I was more addressing the "Sky is falling" crowd. In general, all classes are doing well with the exception of the bottom 5. It isn't so much that nerfs are needing, just slight tweaks to brings others in line. WoW being a somewhat competitive game, it is disheartening if your chosen spec isn't performing, or rather doesn't have the threshold to perform with the others, but isn't the end of the world. The player skill is the ultimate factor however, and all that matters is throughput.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by psyquest View Post
    I dont know what they are waiting for, the picture is clear and there are thousands of logs now

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/13


    They need to buff Rets , WW and Havoc by at least 5% and bring down affliction and subtlety a bit.
    Now go and check that link you posted boss by boss individualy and post again when you do.
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by ErothTV View Post
    No one speaks about Feral ?

    We gave up.

    I'm glad I quit instead of following through on rolling DH tho ya'll got right fucked.

  10. #30
    Its still early, those rankings will change once people get T20/ToS gear and faster kills via gear and more experience with the fight. Check the bosses out individually and you will see how its spread out, Balance is only so high on overall because of one boss (Mistress) that skewers the whole total ranking.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by emilylorange View Post
    We gave up.

    I'm glad I quit instead of following through on rolling DH tho ya'll got right fucked.
    I remember the Devs saying that Feral were more ST specialists and yet the logs tell a completely different story. An it just seems to have gotten worse since EN if thats possible.

  12. #32
    I mean to be fair arguing with a guy who plays this game on a tablet and is more busy posting pictures of his stupid hair dying is pretty much pointless.

  13. #33
    the correct answer is there is some focused nerfing and buffing


    people really need to stop looking at overall.

    For instance some classes very apparently have way too much AOE but if you look at boss damage or ST fights they are on the lower end. Aff, Boomkin, etc might need a bit of a AOE nerf but have ST compensated a little.


    its Skorp-Tisch bloods all over again with the overall results you should just ignore them

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    the correct answer is there is some focused nerfing and buffing


    people really need to stop looking at overall.

    For instance some classes very apparently have way too much AOE but if you look at boss damage or ST fights they are on the lower end. Aff, Boomkin, etc might need a bit of a AOE nerf but have ST compensated a little.


    its Skorp-Tisch bloods all over again with the overall results you should just ignore them
    Question really becomes, How much are Leggo's being factored into the equation. Yeah Boomkin AoE looks a bit out of place, but thats because the top guys on the list are all using the Leggo Lady and the Child, which is a huge buff to AoE and Cleave fights and 1 of their best in slot for AoE fights. Then add in the bracers which can proc free Starfalls and you have just increased the gap.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirM View Post
    Now go and check that link you posted boss by boss individualy and post again when you do.
    well I got it right, buff are in. missed the rets.

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