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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Yes, it is quite sad that Americans think that they know everything and everyone who disagrees with them knows nothing.
    Considering how much you and Haven defend him, it isn't entirely surprising that you don't know what is going on. Especially since you defend him when he kills or jails opponents of his. It isn't our fault that you don't have a free press in your country and that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Apparently I know more than his own citizens do, which is fucking sad.
    By "more" you mean russophobic propaganda which distracts you from the disarray your country and your bloc have fallen into.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Considering how much you and Haven defend him, it isn't entirely surprising that you don't know what is going on. Especially since you defend him when he kills or jails opponents of his. It isn't our fault that you don't have a free press in your country and that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
    Free press. Ha. It's free because it told you so, right? From the TV? TV doesn't lie, am I right?

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    By "more" you mean russophobic propaganda which distracts you from the disarray your country and your bloc have fallen into.

    Free press. Ha. It's free because it told you so, right? From the TV? TV doesn't lie, am I right?
    Talk about fucking conspiracy theories right here.

    First off, it isn't propaganda to tell the truth that Russia hacked our election, tried to hack voting machines, hacked voter rolls, paid 1000 trolls to post bullshit on the internet through Facebook, Youtube, and other websites that stupid Trump supporters believed.

    Secondly, the press is free, because it isn't controlled by the government like yours is. Look at Sputnik and Russia today. Not to mention, while I wouldn't put it past some of the extremist Trump supporters, we haven't had journalists killed or jailed because they oppose Trump. They have been assaulted by Trump supporters and politicians, but not killed or jailed, YET.

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    First off, it isn't propaganda to tell the truth that Russia hacked our election, tried to hack voting machines, hacked voter rolls, paid 1000 trolls to post bullshit on the internet through Facebook, Youtube, and other websites that stupid Trump supporters believed.
    There were plenty of Trump supporters doing same thing, paid and not paid.

    Not trying to separate them from supposed "Russian influence" is obvious propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Talk about fucking conspiracy theories right here.
    Because everything that doesn't conform with mainstream corporate media is obviously a conspiracy theory. Believe the TV. Obey the TV.
    First off, it isn't propaganda to tell the truth that Russia hacked our election, tried to hack voting machines, hacked voter rolls, paid 1000 trolls to post bullshit on the internet through Facebook, Youtube, and other websites that stupid Trump supporters believed.
    Because apparently only Putin is to blame that a populist won elections against a corrupt corporate hoe and it's only because of Putin that someone disagrees that Murica is the bestest country in the world and all wars that it wages are righteous.
    Secondly, the press is free, because it isn't controlled by the government like yours is. Look at Sputnik and Russia today. Not to mention, while I wouldn't put it past some of the extremist Trump supporters, we haven't had journalists killed or jailed because they oppose Trump. They have been assaulted by Trump supporters and politicians, but not killed or jailed, YET.
    Like Putin alone controls dozens of outlets that exist in Russia. By the way, do you know any except RT and Sputnik? You don't. Your media will never tell you.

    The journalists that oppose the mainstream simply lose their jobs and are never heard of again, it's a well-known fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    The journalists that oppose the mainstream simply lose their jobs and are never heard of again, it's a well-known fact.
    They are never heard of again because they are dead. Such is the will of Putin.

    Keep pushing that propaganda though. Log on multiple accounts to back yourself up too. I mean, it's not like it's totally obvious or anything.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Donald View Post
    They are never heard of again because they are dead. Such is the will of Putin.
    Speaking of propaganda, you're clearly full of it...

    You don't even realise it is said about your journalists, not Russian ones...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Speaking of propaganda, you're clearly full of it...

    You don't even realise it is said about your journalists, not Russian ones...
    So you basically just proved his point about it being you on both accounts?

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    Let's take a look at how the world views Obama vs Trump. Every single country worth it's salt viewed Obama as a better leader. The only country's in the world who prefer Trump are Israel(marginally) and the Russians. Supporting Putin/Trump is beyond reason. Those leaders will only lead a country to ruin and enable a poor standard of living for those under their rule.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/...ps-leadership/

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Let's take a look at how the world views Obama vs Trump. Every single country worth it's salt viewed Obama as a better leader. The only country's in the world who prefer Trump are Israel(marginally) and the Russians. Supporting Putin/Trump is beyond reason. Those leaders will only lead a country to ruin and enable a poor standard of living for those under their rule.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/...ps-leadership/

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    Yep, the US is on a death spiral if the traitorous GOPutin isn't held to account. Prison is due for all of their puppets that helped Putin with his digital Pearl Harbor.

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    So now TrumPutin claims he will protect us from TrumPutin's hacking? That is like putting a fox in charge of the hen house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Let's take a look at how the world views Obama vs Trump. Every single country worth it's salt viewed Obama as a better leader. The only country's in the world who prefer Trump are Israel(marginally) and the Russians. Supporting Putin/Trump is beyond reason. Those leaders will only lead a country to ruin and enable a poor standard of living for those under their rule.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/...ps-leadership/

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    In the words of Isaac Hayes, RIP; "That has got to be the most ridiculous load of pig crap I have ever seen!"

    You cannot compare those two because they're from separate competitions! What you need to look at is how the world views Hillary vs Trump. You don't even need to look to see that more than 90% of the world won't respect a female leader. It's sad but it's true.

    And don't say they respect the Queen of Britain, because even though they do, they won't outside of the office. I'm talking about the middle eastern facet btw. I disagree with all the misogyny, even though I've become a misogynist, but its existence remains fact.

    It was never the GOP's game to destroy. It was always the Dem's game to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Trolli View Post
    In the words of Isaac Hayes, RIP; "That has got to be the most ridiculous load of pig crap I have ever seen!"

    You cannot compare those two because they're from separate competitions! What you need to look at is how the world views Hillary vs Trump. You don't even need to look to see that more than 90% of the world won't respect a female leader. It's sad but it's true.

    And don't say they respect the Queen of Britain, because even though they do, they won't outside of the office. I'm talking about the middle eastern facet btw. I disagree with all the misogyny, even though I've become a misogynist, but its existence remains fact.

    It was never the GOP's game to destroy. It was always the Dem's game to lose.
    Hillary was never President. It's cute how you try to deflect by comparing apples and oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus1986 View Post
    Hillary was never President. It's cute how you try to deflect by comparing apples and oranges.
    45 expected to lose and then go on an all out propaganda war against Hillary. This is why all of their talking points are directed at Hillary and all of their bots talk nonstop about Hillary like it is still the campaign. Their entire stockpile of slander was about her.

    Sorry Putinistas, but 45 is responsible for his own crimes and will face justice accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Minuteman View Post
    Great read on the inner workings of Putin's propaganda machine. The time is now for real patriots to stand up for America and end Putin's ongoing attempts at destroying this bastion of freedom and democracy, once and for all!
    You know, calling it a "bastion" implies the rest of the world is riddled with a lack of freedom and democracy.

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    You know, calling it a "bastion" implies the rest of the world is riddled with a lack of freedom and democracy.
    It's not but America is, or rather was, the leader of the Free World, and Russia's entire global campaign, is at it's core, an assault on democracy, with it's mightiest champion a priority target. It's highly symbolic in its own way.

    Russia must pay for decades to come.

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    Reminds me of Nazi Germany the way liberals blame everything bad on the Russians.
    I <3 JK Rowling.

  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    It's not but America is, or rather was, the leader of the Free World, and Russia's entire global campaign, is at it's core, an assault on democracy, with it's mightiest champion a priority target. It's highly symbolic in its own way.
    It was Hillary who won the popular vote, so had America been a democracy, you'd be celebrating your very first woman president. Since America is a representative republic, enjoy your Trump.

    American democracy is a myth. Beautiful like the American dream itself, but sadly fictional.
    В предчувствии движения племен,
    Разломов тверди и кончины мира
    Пою не то, о чем мечтает лира,
    А имена теней и тень имен.

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Hound Archon View Post
    It was Hillary who won the popular vote, so had America been a democracy, you'd be celebrating your very first woman president. Since America is a representative republic, enjoy your Trump.

    American democracy is a myth. Beautiful like the American dream itself, but sadly fictional.
    On the contrary, I was saying last year when it became clear Russia was waging an information warfare campaign against America, that when Hillary won, one of her first tasks would be to retaliate. Hillary winning or not is immaterial: the next President of the United States, be it Hillary or Trump, was always going to have to deal with the problem of Russia because of what Russia did. Success or failure in Russia's scheme doesn't matter, just the attempt.

    Hillary would have enthusiastically retaliated. Trump, Putin's minion, is dragging his feet. That will not work forever. Congress is forcing his hand. And we're just getting started.

    Russia will suffer for this. For a very, very long time.

    American democracy is quite real, and historically vibrantly successful. It'm not surprised a Russian can't recognize it. After all, after the 1990s, when the going got tough, Russians buckled and threw their lot in with the first archetypal strong man to come along.

    So much for the fabled Russian backbone.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    American democracy is quite real, and historically vibrantly successful.
    *Looks at democratically elected Trump*

    Sure is.

    Going back to the subject, America's vibrant success lies in the tremendous autonomy of its individual states, not the often dubious merits of its federal government. I am inclined to believe the key to American prosperity lies in the ingenuity and persistence (not to mention the fierce and proud patriotic independence) of its individual citizens which govern themselves on the local level.

    And lo and behold, these people have spoken.
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