Why does it take so long to get rid of travelers / gypsies?

[Deleted]

So question in the title...

Reason im asking is that a few days ago some travelers broke into the building site opposite my house by cutting the chain and have now set up there. So they are trespassing and had to force their way onto the site. At the moment they have about 8 caravans there, but more keep arriving every day so far. In the few days they have been here they have dumped about 7-8 truck loads of rubbish on the area, just in the corner of their 'camp'. Police have been here, but all they do i park their car up, watch for 20mins then drive off.

So even though these people have broken a few laws, why don't the police do anything? Earlier on a police car was parked up outside the camp, and a caravan drove right past them and into the site, why can't they just pull them over and then arrest them for trespassing? Ive had problems with travelers before, and last time it took months for them to leave, and by the time they left they had trashed the entire area and threatened just about every local shopkeeper.

Whats the deal? If i went and broke into someone else' land, and set up a tent i'd be arrested.

[Deleted]

Because they know legal loopholes

[Deleted]

Because they know legal loopholes

Its just stupid, they break the law and the police just park up and watch them continue to break the law...

[kaid]

It depends on where you are living and what the laws of the areas are. In the US if they unlawfully entered a property they could get removed by the police if the owner of the work site complained. But in other areas squatting laws vary especially if they are not immediately removed or police called and are let to stay there for a period of time. That is usually where the problems happen in a lot of countries if the owner does not maintain their site and immediately complain squatters rights may kick in and then you may have to go through the full eviction route to remove them which can take a month or two depending on country/jurisdiction.

So as the other poster said they know what the local laws are and use them to the fullest then move on rinse/repeat.

[pateuvasiliu]

And now you know why Romania has so many of those. The last time we tried to get rid of them the US landed in Normandy and we got yelled at.

And then you blame us for not getting rid of them. Well, you didn't like our way. Now you have to deal with them.

I'm glad they're starting to leave Romania for greener pastures. Serves you right for calling us gypsies. Now they're not Romanian citizens, they're European citizens.

[Deleted]

And now you know why Romania has so many of those. The last time we tried to get rid of them the US landed in Normandy and we got yelled at.

And then you blame us for not getting rid of them. Well, you didn't like our way. Now you have to deal with them.

I'm glad they're starting to leave Romania for greener pastures. Serves you right for calling us gypsies. Now they're not Romanian citizens, they're European citizens.

These are actually Irish travelers :P

[pateuvasiliu]

These are actually Irish travelers :P

They all came from India then made a few stops along the way.

[Ehrenpanzer]

And now you know why Romania has so many of those. The last time we tried to get rid of them the US landed in Normandy and we got yelled at.

And then you blame us for not getting rid of them. Well, you didn't like our way. Now you have to deal with them.

I'm glad they're starting to leave Romania for greener pastures. Serves you right for calling us gypsies. Now they're not Romanian citizens, they're European citizens.

Im fairly sure theres a happy medium between "Let them stay squatting indefinitely" and "Genocide".. jus saying...

[Deleted]

They all came from India then made a few stops along the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers

these people not these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

[the game]

Sounds like the cops where you live need to grow some balls. They should not be protected after they clearly broke the law breaking into your job site.

[Deleted]

It depends on where you are living and what the laws of the areas are. In the US if they unlawfully entered a property they could get removed by the police if the owner of the work site complained. But in other areas squatting laws vary especially if they are not immediately removed or police called and are let to stay there for a period of time. That is usually where the problems happen in a lot of countries if the owner does not maintain their site and immediately complain squatters rights may kick in and then you may have to go through the full eviction route to remove them which can take a month or two depending on country/jurisdiction.

So as the other poster said they know what the local laws are and use them to the fullest then move on rinse/repeat.

Its just stupid that they can't just be arrested / evicted sooner. The place is a building site, its not abandoned or unused or anything.

[pateuvasiliu]

Im fairly sure theres a happy medium between "Let them stay squatting indefinitely" and "Genocide".. jus saying...

Yeah, there is. Ceausecu, our glorious Commie President, just FORCED them to work. But nowadays you'll get some United Nations bullcrap telling you that you cannot force people to work so they just keep stealing and squatting.

[vhatever]

Call your apparently worthless local law enforcement agency and ask them why they aren't doing anything.

[Deleted]

Sounds like the cops where you live need to grow some balls. They should not be protected after they clearly broke the law breaking into your job site.

Not my job site, but it is is a building site. I don't think its to do with cops not being brave enough, i think Adam was correct in saying they know all the loopholes in the laws that makes it a very long and costly process to evict them.

[Fonduset]

Well the British Government thought it a good idea to protect these criminals under the Equality Act. Meaning they can make evictions awkward by yelling "Discrimination". Our local councils and politicians are too bothered about their own careers to grow a back bone and change the law, or fight to evict.

[Tiwack]

What's the damage? They're littering? You don't? They're squatting on someone's property that's not being used for anything? Fix them a trash can if it bothers you and go offer them some food or treats. You'd be surprised how far a little kindness gets you.

[Deleted]

Call your apparently worthless local law enforcement agency and ask them why they aren't doing anything.

We actually did, we got some generic response along the lines of its already been reported and being looked into, they won't give specifics.

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What's the damage? They're littering? You don't? They're squatting on someone's property that's not being used for anything? Fix them a trash can if it bothers you and go offer them some food or treats. You'd be surprised how far a little kindness gets you.

Whats the damage? They threaten and harass everyone who lives locally, trash the area with literal truck loads of rubbish, not just littering by throwing their packet of crisps on the floor, they dump full truck loads of rubbish. Aslo its not unused property, its a building site that is actually used.

So,
littering / fly tipping - Illegal
Breaking and entering - Illegal
Trespassing - Illegal

And its hard to be kind to people who spit at you if you go too close to the land they deem as theirs.

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My first encounter with Irish travelers a few years ago was much worse where i used to live, they use to go into all the shops in the area, the parents would stand at the door and threaten / spit at the security guards / employees while they told their kids to go grab stuff, they would just go round to different stores stealing and then drive back to their camp, still took about 4 months for police to move them on to the next site.

[Tiwack]

Anyone ever offered them a home and a job or are they just deadset on teaching their kids stealing is the norm as is moving every 4 months? Putting heat on their asses doesn't change anything other than who's burden they become. They're not the first and certainly won't be the last. Why do you think they act like they do? They're society's outcasts so they gotta act the part. Kids will follow in their parents footsteps if you let the cycle continue.

[Emode]

The are like a plague of locusts.

[Deleted]

Anyone ever offered them a home and a job or are they just deadset on teaching their kids stealing is the norm as is moving every 4 months? Putting heat on their asses doesn't change anything other than who's burden they become. They're not the first and certainly won't be the last. Why do you think they act like they do? They're society's outcasts so they gotta act the part. Kids will follow in their parents footsteps if you let the cycle continue.

The kids typically do not attend school for long, though they do register their kids in the schools because that makes it harder to evict them.

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The are like a plague of locusts.

Yep, earlier today there were 8 caravans or so, just looked out my window now and the whole site is filled, at least 20-30 caravans in there now :\

They always do the same, they have a few go and scout areas that are easy to break into, then over a few days the rest of them arrive .

They will probably do what they do everywhere else, settle on the land, trash it and the surrounding area, make the council spend a lot of money trying to evict them, but by the time the council can do anything, they find a new site and go there.