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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgodeus View Post
    Only the parents should have the right to determine whether to continue trying to save their son. "Specialists" should have no say in such matters.
    Strongly disagree. This type of reasoning has lead to lots of wasted time, money and hospital resources on anencephalic babies, which would have been better spent treating people who actually could be saved.
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    There are no 2 species that are 100% identical.
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    can you leftist twits just fucking admit that quantum mechanics has fuck all to do with thermodynamics, that shit is just a pose?

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgodeus View Post
    Only the parents should have the right to determine whether to continue trying to save their son. "Specialists" should have no say in such matters.
    Parents that actually cared about their kid, would not fucking choose to keep it in constant pain for a few months more..

    The "Specialists" is exactly who should have a say in this..
    The parents are too emotionally involved and have no expertise. They are not able to take an objective view of the situation. They are gonna choose to keep this poor kid in constant pain because it's their baby.

    The kid is basicly briandead and can never move.. Why the hell would you want to prolong its suffering?

    What the hell is wrong with you people.
    Last edited by Quibble; 2017-06-29 at 07:08 PM.
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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Manabomb View Post
    Ahhh, I'm so glad your Christian fundamentalist views aren't shared by the rest of the world.
    Don't bring religion into this discussion. Just because you're an atheist it doesn't mean that the others are too.

  4. #144
    It would be way better to have the kid on the US system, where any cure can be sold (but not results) and where instead of ''kommunist healthcare'' decided by egggheads doctors, your survival depends on either having the rare generous healthcare insurance or begging on GoFundMe.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    Don't bring religion into this discussion. Just because you're an atheist it doesn't mean that the others are too.
    The issue isn't the Christianity, but the fundamentalism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    There are no 2 species that are 100% identical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redditor
    can you leftist twits just fucking admit that quantum mechanics has fuck all to do with thermodynamics, that shit is just a pose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    Exactly, I'm glad that someone else in this thread has their thinking cap firmly placed on their head.
    I also agree. If the parents are not using public/governmental funds for the travel to the U.S. or the treatment, what right does some Court have to say the parents can't give this slim hope to their child? Perhaps the treatment, even if it fails, will serve as a benefit to other similar cases in the future? Unless the parents are stripped of their legal rights to determine what's best for their child, a Court shouldn't intervene because "experts" decide, in their opinion, that there would be no possible benefit. When experts get to make binding decisions for you, especially in matters like the life or death of your child, I say GTFO. Withhold funds, fine, but it's my child.
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  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Quibble View Post
    What the hell is wrong with you people.
    They're looking at it from the parent's perspective and are getting touchy about parental rights being "infringed" upon without understanding that parents also have responsibilities towards their child. Paranoia towards Government doesn't help either.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by yellowgore View Post
    If the parents are not using public/governmental funds for the travel to the U.S. or the treatment, what right does some Court have to say the parents can't give this slim hope to their child?
    There is no hope. The kid will die in a matter of months even with treatment. There is no cure, the kid will never be responsive or able to move.

    The treatment might be able to give the kid another month or two, living of machines. But it will never fix any of the problems the disorder already caused.
    Basicly the treatment are able to prolong the torture, that are being done by keeping this kid alive.

    Isn't this excatly what a human rights court should be involved in? Preventing these parents from prolonging the torture of their own child because of "emotions".
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  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Doing this would be seen as abuse, so yes, they do.
    If there is an experimental treatment that might help, it is not abuse. It is nothing more than a governmental entity overstepping its' bounds.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by yellowgore View Post
    I also agree. If the parents are not using public/governmental funds for the travel to the U.S. or the treatment, what right does some Court have to say the parents can't give this slim hope to their child? Perhaps the treatment, even if it fails, will serve as a benefit to other similar cases in the future? Unless the parents are stripped of their legal rights to determine what's best for their child, a Court shouldn't intervene because "experts" decide, in their opinion, that there would be no possible benefit. When experts get to make binding decisions for you, especially in matters like the life or death of your child, I say GTFO. Withhold funds, fine, but it's my child.
    No. Your child is not your slave. Prolonging the inevitable death (with all of the suffering that will happen in between) is not a good thing for the kid. Let him die with dignity ffs
    And no, causing pain to others in order to investigate is what exactly mengele did
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  11. #151
    Americans just want a lab rat to test their experiments without proper research procedures and costs.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    Strongly disagree. This type of reasoning has lead to lots of wasted time, money and hospital resources on anencephalic babies, which would have been better spent treating people who actually could be saved.
    That type of reasoning has also led to breakthroughs during medical history.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgodeus View Post
    If there is an experimental treatment that might help, it is not abuse. It is nothing more than a governmental entity overstepping its' bounds.
    There is no experimental treatment that may help. The kid will not get better.
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgodeus View Post
    That type of reasoning has also led to breakthroughs during medical history.
    Genuinely interested in examples.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    There are no 2 species that are 100% identical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redditor
    can you leftist twits just fucking admit that quantum mechanics has fuck all to do with thermodynamics, that shit is just a pose?

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgodeus View Post
    That type of reasoning has also led to breakthroughs during medical history.
    Such as?
    Remember, there is no experimental shit that can save him. And you are now promoting to do human experimentation, without consent
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Many hospitals do experimental treatment it at no cost to the patient at all. Hell We don't even know which hospital was going to do treatment or what they would or wouldn't charge.

    It obviously wasn't going to be "no cost"

    Charlie's parents, from Bedfont, west London, raised £1.3m on a crowdfunding site to pay for the experimental treatment in the US.
    That's about 1.7 million US dollars
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  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    Genuinely interested in examples.
    https://globalgenes.org/raredaily/sm...tion-syndrome/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Such as?
    Remember, there is no experimental shit that can save him. And you are now promoting to do human experimentation, without consent
    https://globalgenes.org/raredaily/sm...tion-syndrome/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    There is no experimental treatment that may help. The kid will not get better.
    https://globalgenes.org/raredaily/sm...tion-syndrome/

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    Yeh and, there may be other doctor who think he has a chance, to say nothing of information gleaned from working on the child that may aid in understanding the problem. This is fucking stupid. ITs their kid, if they want to come to the US to try and sae him they very much should be able too.

    I mean is prolonged suffering is their reasoning, why not just take him out back and put him down now? Surely there is some measure of suffering now.
    They've had to keep the life support machines on while the case was still being appealed. Now that it's over those machines will be turned off within a few days.
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  19. #159
    You were told already that the illnes of that kid is different in scope/stage than of the one regarding this thread. But you still blatantly ignore that
    And still, the kid isnt better (the one in your link). Its just not worse
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



  20. #160
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    Every parent should have the rights to choose their child's care. The rights as a parent have completely been abolished in this case it's disgusting!

    This case reeks of classism. Had the parents been wealthy and the connections to fight this all the way they would have had a better chance of winning this case.

    Had the parents gone private health care initially instead of a standard NHS hospital there are a lot of people saying that Charlie would have been flying to America to get the treatment months ago.
    The doctor is doing what's best for the child not the fucking parents. The kid is terminally ill. Allowing the kid to stay alive is only gonna prolong the suffering until everything in the body is dead. This is a doctor not wanting to see a child suffer.
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