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  1. #1161
    Quote Originally Posted by rogueMatthias View Post
    There's going to be a sudden socialist revolution and the Tories will all vote against their own party?
    Why do you think that it would take some sort of revolution for a MP to vote against their party? It is far from uncommon for a member to abstain or vote against their party line; we saw, just yesterday, that the Cons had to concede on the issue of abortion as their party members would have voted for it and on the other side 50 Labour members went against Corbyn's orders. The reality is that it is going to be very difficult for May and her government going forward.

  2. #1162
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogueMatthias View Post
    Are there seriously still people that think Corbyn STILL stands a chance?
    To get a new GE? (yes)
    The Queens speech has been passed.

    Conservatives are in power until 2022 now.
    Queen's speeches are good for a year, not five (even if they are skipping one now).

  3. #1163
    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    Queen's speeches are good for a year, not five (even if they are skipping one now).
    And? The Queen's Speech no longer counts as a vote of no confidence, although it may trigger one, and there must be a specific vote of no confidence under the Fixed Term Parliament Act before the process starts.

  4. #1164
    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    The truth is that the continental system is excellent because it makes it almost impossible for any one to do anything. The problem with our system is that it makes it very easy for retarded public schoolboys in the pay of corporations supported by media barons to do a great deal, mostly f*** everyone over.
    No our system allows us to do allot of stuff, Just don't have to deal with a single idiot on a power trip like the Uk and the US are having now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    No our system allows us to do allot of stuff, Just don't have to deal with a single idiot on a power trip like the Uk and the US are having now.
    No we have to deal with many idiots.

  6. #1166
    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    No we have to deal with many idiots.
    you have a god-king idiot that has the has a army of goons to dig the grave but in the end still just a single idiot.

    Sure you have morons in politics but they don't really have any power

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    And? The Queen's Speech no longer counts as a vote of no confidence, although it may trigger one, and there must be a specific vote of no confidence under the Fixed Term Parliament Act before the process starts.
    A queen's speech was never formally a vote of no confidence, so the formal addition of the FTPA doesn't alter that fact.
    If the Queen's speech had been voted down, that would have been a vote of no confidence.

  8. #1168
    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    A queen's speech was never formally a vote of no confidence, so the formal addition of the FTPA doesn't alter that fact.
    If the Queen's speech had been voted down, that would have been a vote of no confidence.
    That is incorrect, voting down the Queen's Speech would, most likely, have lead to a vote of no confidence but it is not in itself a vote of no confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    That is incorrect, voting down the Queen's Speech would, most likely, have lead to a vote of no confidence but it is not in itself a vote of no confidence.
    As i said whether or not it legally qualifies as a trigger of the FTPA, it would be interpreted by everyone that it was a vote of no confidence.

  10. #1170
    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    As i said whether or not it legally qualifies as a trigger of the FTPA, it would be interpreted by everyone that it was a vote of no confidence.
    The legality of whether it would be a vote of no confidence is the important bit not people's interpretation. However you specifically mentioned the length of time each speech remains valid in relation to someone saying that the Cons are in power until 2022, so what exactly was your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    The legality of whether it would be a vote of no confidence is the important bit not people's interpretation. However you specifically mentioned the length of time each speech remains valid in relation to someone saying that the Cons are in power until 2022, so what exactly was your point?
    The UK justice system would not in a million years touch the legality of this highly political question.
    Parliamentary convention says the Queen's speech is a vote of no confidence, legality has no relevance.

  12. #1172
    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    The UK justice system would not in a million years touch the legality of this highly political question.
    Parliamentary convention says the Queen's speech is a vote of no confidence, legality has no relevance.
    The UK justice system has already addressed this with various acts. No it does not. The Queen's Speech could only be a vote of no confidence if a specific amendment relating to a lack of confidence was added, the FTPA requires a specific vote of no confidence.

    I take it from this reply that you didn't actually have a point when you first mentioned the length of time each speech is valid for.

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    Uk officially has the worst economic growth in the eu. Tories still messing with the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Uk officially has the worst economic growth in the eu. Tories still messing with the economy.
    Says who? Source? Hope you are not going to quote something just about quarter 1, but I have a feeling you will do just that. I am already laughing.
    13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    The UK justice system has already addressed this with various acts.
    An act of parliament is not the justice system.
    The Queen's Speech could only be a vote of no confidence if a specific amendment relating to a lack of confidence was added, the FTPA requires a specific vote of no confidence.
    You are trying to interpret this strictly legalistically, where this is in fact a highly political question.
    It does not matter if a Queens speech legally is an act of no confidence, because political convention dictates that it is.
    I take it from this reply that you didn't actually have a point when you first mentioned the length of time each speech is valid for.
    Again political convention is that they are promulgated once a year, but there is (as far as i know) no legal requirement to have any at all - there are three left however, in the unlikely even this parliament serves its full five years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Says who? Source? Hope you are not going to quote something just about quarter 1, but I have a feeling you will do just that. I am already laughing.
    What's wrong with the Dismal .2 growth as per official UK statistics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    What's wrong with the Dismal .2 growth as per official UK statistics?
    One quarter in isolation is too short a period to reliably measure anything, 12 months is widely accepted as a minimum time period by economists. Now measure UK figures over 12 months it shows a completely different picture. Ofc that may not fit some peoples agenda....
    13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    One quarter in isolation is too short a period to reliably measure anything, 12 months is widely accepted as a minimum time period by economists. Now measure UK figures over 12 months it shows a completely different picture. Ofc that may not fit some peoples agenda....
    Throw in that the ONS are saying homes are the most squeezed since 1970 something, your strong and stable governments economic outlook isn't so rosy, not that it ever has been.

    3 months is long enough to reliably give you a 3 month window of economic growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    One quarter in isolation is too short a period to reliably measure anything, 12 months is widely accepted as a minimum time period by economists. Now measure UK figures over 12 months it shows a completely different picture. Ofc that may not fit some peoples agenda....
    yes, you do know that UK growth has declined since the brexit vote?
    the 1.9 or whatever for 2016 was noticeably less than projected?
    But don't worry, i'm certain the seasonally better second quarter will have slight uptick to calm you down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Throw in that the ONS are saying homes are the most squeezed since 1970 something, your strong and stable governments economic outlook isn't so rosy, not that it ever has been.

    3 months is long enough to reliably give you a 3 month window of economic growth.
    Not that it ever has been? You mean like 2015 figures for the year when UK growth was 2.2% French 1.1% German 1.6%. How about annual figures for 2016 when UK growth was 1.8% French 1.2% German 1.7%.

    As I said 3 month figures are useless. Let's wait until 2017 figures are out......
    13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"

  20. #1180
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Says who? Source? Hope you are not going to quote something just about quarter 1, but I have a feeling you will do just that. I am already laughing.
    Says every financial expert right now. Funny how you'll ignore one quarter that goes against your agenda but last year were cheering with delight one week blip finances when they suited your agenda.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7817046.html
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7766286.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...poverty-budget (not same thing but worst in 60 years)
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/uk-eco...-brexit-2017-6

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