Online hate speech may soon incur a hefty bill in Germany

[Deleted]

Found an interesting video of a german lawyer critical of the law

sadly only in german so i hope Subtitels work


snippet that stood out to me:
it is illigal to save chrild pornography, on the other hand Social-meda will be commanded to save it as evidance.
quite the conundrum for that Facebook-employee.

if Thoise responsibilitier would be in the hands of Law-enforcement instread of private companies, we at least would have a better defined seperation of powers. Law-enforcement is ignored on the process giving legislative power the Police should have.

i admit, i am not an expert, but it does seem rather... disgusting to me.

He critizise the law design, which is quite questionable. Companies are supposed to be responsable/indictable for the users hate-speeches, which would result in a massive censorship (#costavoidance). Judgment of the court is still pending, the chance is nearly 99.9% this design will not get through the court.

[Mekh]

Do you think its OK to imprison people because they do a gesture with their hands, even if it is as a joke?

Or teaching your pug to to do it?

Doesn't matter what I think.

(3) Whoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or renders harmless an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the type indicated in Section 220a subsection (1), in a manner capable of disturbing the public piece shall be punished

This is not a new thing. That part has been in there for 23 years and no, I don't see a problem with it.

[Incredibale]

Government censorship of speech is always about controlling the people and has NOTHING to do with protecting human dignity.

And just LO-FUCKING-L at the dingleberries suggesting free speech is going to lead to another Nazi party. What a shameful joke.

[d33jay]

That's so cute that you all keep assuming that ''MUH GOING TO KILL JEWS ! '' is ''hurt feelings''. Then again, the usual suspects live in a world where manhood is tied to scream to random strangers death threats. I mean, if you don't type 500 times per day that you are just waiting the signal of your YouTube guru to execute all ''LIBURALS'' in the street, your friends are going to call you a cuck so you HAVE to.

BTW, it's also fun how the usual suspects are not even trying to pretend anymore that their ''FRADOM OF SPUCH'' is tied to anything else than them screaming that everyone that is not a rabid ultra conservative white male will get a bullet in the head.

Jumping off the deep end a little aren't we?

Anyway, it's never okay to suppress the voice and thoughts of people. People should be able to post or say whatever they want.

[purebalance]

Maybe because Justin Trudeau is an adult being and is not sicking the canadian mounties on someone ranting about him ?

Except he isn't being an adult when it comes to white people saying racist/sexist things. He's being a hypocrite. Also that was the TAMEST thing this woman has said on the internet. She has written long posts about white people being subhuman genetically(very Hitleresque if you ask me) going on rants about melanin. She also repeatedly says "God/Allah give me the strength to not kill/shoot these stupid white people today". So, no, he is definitely NOT being an adult in ignoring it, but rather a child. Also it isn't HIS business. It's the police who are being racist in not taking her in.

[sarahtasher]

It's very scary to see what's happening to our world. Humans lack any semblance of self awareness. This road to repression of civilians will lead to blood. As it has time and time again. Germans can't stop going back to that nazi, fascist ideology.

Again, Germans had all the ''freedom of speech'' desired by the alt right between 1933 and 1945 . If you were a German with a certificate of racial purity, you could the only thing that ever matter to the alt right (calling others groups vermin, saying that women must breed pure Aryan babies, calling homosexual degenerate, calling for the execution of anyone to the left of you) and even get paid for it.

That what the alt right means means by freedom of speech. Everything else is SJW lies that must be ended by pure aryan bullets in the head

[sarahtasher]

What I'm on again ? Saying that the Nazis were a-okay with the freedom of speech as understood by the alt right, AKA screaming that there are inferior races that have to be cleansed ?

Because, this freedom of speech, the only one that matter to people on those threads (you will never see them comment on Putin sending goon squads to silence the opposition), the Nazis had it.

[GrinnersGrin]

Glad to see the (((GERMAN GOVERNMENT))) is still pushing the holocaust meme

[sarahtasher]

Glad to see the (((GERMAN GOVERNMENT))) is still pushing the holocaust meme

You are so subtle. So clever. Then again, those code words and the Nazi propaganda was tailor made for people with towering intellect. The kind of people that while asked to tie their shoelace would scream JEW KUNSPIRACY !

[THE Bigzoman]

It's funny.

You see a lot of drones talk about how the west should stand for tons of values, but nobody thinks the west should hold free speech in high regard. Sad thing is that the west isn't the only one that suffers from people's indifference about free speech.

It's hard to condemn china for jailed tibetans for "enciting ethnjc hatred" when we insist on procescutibg someone for making an innocuous "gas the jews" joke with his pug.

[sarahtasher]

It's funny.

You see a lot of drones talk about how the west should stand for tons of values, but nobody thinks the west should hold free speech in high regard. Sad thing is that the west isn't the only one that suffers from people's indifference about free speech.

It's hard to condemn china for jailed tibetans for "enciting ethnjc hatred" when we insist on procescutibg someone for making an innocuous "gas the jews" joke with his pug.

Even on this thread, the usual suspects can't control themselves and stop squeaking ''HOLOCAUST GRATEST THING EVUR ! BUT JEW LIE ! HITLER ROCKS FUR KILLING JEWS, BUT FAILED TO DO SO !'

[THE Bigzoman]

Can I get some ranch with that word salad?

[Deleted]

What is even hate speach? Every time you say or write something there are going to be people who disagree, and if you get them good, they will hate you.

[sarahtasher]

You mean you don't understand the aryan logic of loving Hitler and hating Jews, while at the same time robbing their beloved Fhurer of his key ''achievement'' ?

You mean that it's f... stupid that Neo-Nazis spend their days squeaking about killing Jews while at the same thing saying that their god did not ?

[Deleted]

i am yet to be convined sarahtasher is not a Troll...


anyway Freedom of speach means beeing able to say preatty much ANYTHING that doas not incite Violine. and yes it is IMMENSLY important for people of any political leaning.
just imagine a lefty under a conservative goverment: should he be forbidden from saying that he believes "Kommunism is the greatest thing ever"? i think not, even though i think Kommunism is a cancer on this planet.

it means beeing able to talk about any opinion and through debate come closer to the truth together as a society.

as a side note we had Freedom of speach issues even before this law. ltz take an interesting example: it is illigal to talk criticly about the holocout.
on the face of it that seems lake a decent idea, not to give any platform to these lunatics, The law is well meaning.
but it also means you can be risking a run-in with the law for trying to convince a Holocaust-dinier of the opposite.

[Deleted]

Punishment will not stop hatred. It never has, it never will, It will only prolong and strengthen it. GG.

[Deleted]

Hate speech for the German government is anything that doesn't fit well in their agenda.

Sounds familiar?

[hakujinbakasama]

Hate speech for the German government is anything that doesn't fit well in their agenda.

Sounds familiar?

Pretty much the status quo of the leftists.

[stomination]

Yeah? Where? Proof ?

That's like asking me to prove Hitler was a Nazi.

Its well known here that you complain a lot about overweight ppl in multiple threads that you have created about Obesity.

[Deleted]

Once again the right wingkins work with alternative facts.

No, noone disallows other opinions. Noone censors a controversial opinion about immigration or Merkels politics.

If you read the OP, you would know that it is just about fining large social networks if they dont remove content that is against the law (means public insults of people or groups of people, or asking people to start riots).