Missouri to lower minimum wage from $10 to $7.70

[Zubacz]

I'm surprised the US even has a minimum wage anywhere. You earn what your employer is willing to pay you. If you aren't happy about it, find another job or make your own company. If your life situation (family) does not allow you to search for another job, you better make sure your children don't make the same mistakes you did and acquire marketable skills.

[zhero]

Why should flipping hamburgers pay for a family with a reasonable life? It's entry level work that's why, learn something useful and move up. Get a tiny bit of ambition and do more you can do it don't need the government holding your hand.

because we used to be able to. 40 years ago, a single income family was the norm, working jobs you all keep demeaning with titles like "entry level," with things the way they are families have 2 people working full time and barely getting by.

[Glorious Leader]

You're a fucking idiot.

Kinda. Its a delusional world view that is really only propogated by conservatives and so called centrists like the clintons who embrace some measures for equality but largely agree with the boot straps rhetoric. Its disgusting really they still think that its only up to individuals to cure the ill of poverty and dont seem to recognize the benefit of public good.

[Slybak]

those are the majority of the jobs on the market. there is no magical land of job opening for higher wages that you think are there.

Plus its typical for larger cities to have higher housing costs, and its harder to find low-kill labor in such places because people who fall into that category are priced out of the area. San Francisco, for instance, has had a low-skill worker drought for years because its virtually impossible for anyone working at or near the minimum wage to afford to live there, so the city raised the minimum wage to compensate.

[Themius]

I'm surprised the US even has a minimum wage anywhere. You earn what your employer is willing to pay you. If you aren't happy about it, find another job or make your own company. If your life situation (family) does not allow you to search for another job, you better make sure your children don't make the same mistakes you did and acquire marketable skills.

You sure like wage slavery don't you.

[TheFuse]

I'm surprised the US even has a minimum wage anywhere. You earn what your employer is willing to pay you. If you aren't happy about it, find another job or make your own company. If your life situation (family) does not allow you to search for another job, you better make sure your children don't make the same mistakes you did and acquire marketable skills.

Glad to see the Eurotrash is out to share their retarded opinions.


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[KOMO1211]

have really looked into what that fuckhead Greitens is doing. however a year or two ago KC passed a bill that would see the min wage rise to 15/hr. it was struck down by the state saying that it needed to stay tied to the national min wage rate. so I would argue we need to pass revisions on the national min wage and tie to it to freaking cost of living by state. that being said median household income is ~45k in MO. not the bottom nor top.

also, especially living in the cities (KC, STL, Springfield) it is pretty rare outside of food industry to make less then 10/hr starting out just about anywhere. QT (gas station) starts at near 11/hr no experience needed. outside of that its very small towns and very rural, and does not cost THAT much to live.

that being said Greitens is an idiot and a stooge and plenty of reasons I did not vote for him.

[Deletedaccount1]

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

[Zubacz]

Glad to see the Eurotrash is out to share their retarded opinions.

That's a well argued point... I don't live in Europe and think socialism is what screwed Europe up. US is a superpower because it managed to stay away from Marxism, in my opinion.

For future reference, when someone makes a "capitalist" point, calling them Eurotrash really makes you look like a moron. Not only is the vast majority of Europe socialist, but also what one usually calls "trash" are the people on minimum wages or welfare.

[Ivanstone]

That's a well argued point... I don't live in Europe and think socialism is what screwed Europe up. US is a superpower because it managed to stay away from Marxism, in my opinion.

U.S. is a super power because:
1 - Hasn't face planted in 150 years.
2 - Somewhat geographically isolated.
3 - Has lotsa people.
4 - Has lotsa resources.

[Celista]

U.S. is a super power because:
1 - Hasn't face planted in 150 years.

Give us time...

[Adam Jensen]

It's a way to get inexperienced people into the job market. You're not supposed to stay at $7.70 forever, just for a year or so, until you have something to write on your resume.

And reality proves this isn't the case. At all.

[Zubacz]

You sure like wage slavery don't you.

That's always a problem with the left, you see. They want everything here and now. "World is unfair, have to fix it NOW"; "low wages are slavery, need to help the people NOW". If you made the wrong choices in your life and make a shit living, you can either improve yourself or if you can't make sure your kids make better choices. Minimal wage mostly just causes more people to earn minimum wage, instead of some earning more and some less. And it causes employers to hire fewer people and demand experience. It's a short-term populist solution, that might sound good, but does not work.

[Adam Jensen]

And that's relevant to them lowering the minimum wage how now? There's nothing of them claiming that it's to help encourage spending or anything, nor is cutting money from those on minimum wage going to encourage them to spend money.



Because minimum wage was implemented so you can live off of it. The government is suppose to interfere there so businesses don't screw over the employees.

Also, if it's just "flipping burgers", how do you expect them to get any experience out of that for their next job, or learn anything from it?

They're suppose to be going to school at the same time. Because you know a person working a 40 hour a week job at minimum wage has the time and money and energy to do such a thing. It's a good thing college isn't that expensive in the US.

Also, our president isn't an orange liar.

[chewie49]

min. wage laws put an artificial cap on the price of labor. there should be no min. wage laws; business and labor should work it out to mutual benefit.

min. wage laws were first pushed by labor unions to price out minorities from certain types of work; it's time to get rid of the 'jim crow laws' of labor.

[Wyrt]

min. wage laws put an artificial cap on the price of labor. there should be no min. wage laws; business and labor should work it out to mutual benefit.

min. wage laws were first pushed by labor unions to price out minorities from certain types of work; it's time to get rid of the 'jim crow laws' of labor.

Um, it can only be "worked out to mutual benefit" if both parties have equal power. They don't. That's why unions exist in the first place, because labor has less power than businesses.

[Adam Jensen]

min. wage laws put an artificial cap on the price of labor. there should be no min. wage laws; business and labor should work it out to mutual benefit.

min. wage laws were first pushed by labor unions to price out minorities from certain types of work; it's time to get rid of the 'jim crow laws' of labor.

Yeah, because the time without minimum wage laws was so great for the works. It was nice to be paid in "money" that can only be accepted at the company store.

As for your second point, I'm calling bullshit. Provide a source.

[Wyrt]

As for your second point, I'm calling bullshit. Provide a source.

I'm guessing FOX or Brietbart.

[Deleted]

Misery*

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[Auxora]

These minimum wage topics are a conservative hot button, but in theory the free market should work those things out. I'd hope a fast food place in St. Louis (where the cost of living is higher than a rural area), would just find no one applies if they only offer $7.70. In fact most of the places with higher minimum wages are larger cities, like St. Louis, or Chicago or NYC, where fast food places find they have to make the hiring wage $11-$15/hr to find any employees. So the min wage rule in those places hardly matters.

Incidentally, it's ironic that conservatives are so concerned about min wage employees making too much (which also doesn't align with religious ideals), when driving min wage down is a disincentive to work assuming wages don't settle above that on their own. If you are someone in St. Louis in a min wage situation, and you're trying to do the right thing and work for a living for $11/hr which already isn't much but then the gov't lowers it to $7.70, and you can make that much sitting at home...I think a lot of people would just say fine, I'll just sit at home and collect a check. Then the same conservatives will complain about too many people being on welfare.