Tomb of Sargeras Progression Thread

[Deleted]

Did they really use 3 heals? Seems like their heals are gods!

They used 4 as already said but, for me at least, nothing wil beat Jhaz solo healing Garrosh

Because of their 6% wipe on Avatar 2 days ago? And they are leading.

That was a troll screenshot bub

[dacoolist]

Face it, if Method brought in special ops like this, 500 wipes, over 2,000 mythic+ sub 20's - We as normal people won't see an avatar mythic kill from people like us until next expansion lol. Unless they severely nerf the shit out of Avatar, that will destroy most of the guilds that are left (and LOL Invective, you guys are smoking wankers thinking they are world first mythic KJ... gtfo)

[Deleted]

How does 453 tries compares to the wipe count of other tough bosses?

Blackhand was around 320 ish (Method), Garrosh 272 (Method), Siege-Crafter 229 (Method), Lei-shen 300 ish? Not sure about that one, Guldan 248 (Exorsus), Elisande 229 (Serenity).
The only recent bosses that took more pulls are Archimonde 472 (Method) and Ragnaros 500+ (Paragon), and maybe spine (can't find number).

[durrtygoodz]

Because of their 6% wipe on Avatar 2 days ago? And they are leading.

I feel bad for you that you believed that and FYI, FatShark lead SB at Elisande and we all know how that went.

[Clozer]

Face it, if Method brought in special ops like this, 500 wipes, over 2,000 mythic+ sub 20's - We as normal people won't see an avatar mythic kill from people like us until next expansion lol. Unless they severely nerf the shit out of Avatar, that will destroy most of the guilds that are left (and LOL Invective, you guys are smoking wankers thinking they are world first mythic KJ... gtfo)

they killed it with 928 ilvl, your non-hardcore progression guild will have ~935+ ilvl in a couple weeks. So it will be doable even if you don't spend 450 tries.

[gHouLwiNg]

Tier 1:

Nihilum
Death N Taxes

Tier 2:
Method
Paragon


Everyone; GET BUST

This! This!

[ryjkur]

The only recent bosses that took more pulls are Archimonde 472 (Method) and Ragnaros 500+ (Paragon), and maybe spine (can't find number).

July 2011, 6 years so recent xD Just like if you said during Firelands that Nihilum's Illidan kill was recent.

[Seramore]

Just remember that realistically, Avatar will probably take a lot less attempts simply due to gear and published strats. It seems like the real road block on the fight was meeting the DPS requirements which will be made a lot easier with more Mythic/titanforged gear for a lot of the other guilds.

[Twilight Cultist]

Blackhand was around 320 ish (Method), Garrosh 272 (Method), Siege-Crafter 229 (Method), Lei-shen 300 ish? Not sure about that one, Guldan 248 (Exorsus), Elisande 229 (Serenity).
The only recent bosses that took more pulls are Archimonde 472 (Method) and Ragnaros 500+ (Paragon), and maybe spine (can't find number).

Number of pulls mean very little because length of attempts very from boss to boss. Some fights are very short or the hard part is early in the fight; other fights are the opposite. For Avatar, it is possible to push into phase 2 any time you want, in order to practice. So we shouldn't try to measure a bosses difficulty by how many attempts a guild put into a boss. This isn't to say that Avatar is by any means easy.

[dacoolist]

they killed it with 928 ilvl, your non-hardcore progression guild will have ~935+ ilvl in a couple weeks. So it will be doable even if you don't spend 450 tries.

You do have a valid point, I didn't think about the ilvl scaling.

[tonic316]

Tier 1:
Method
Paragon

Tier 9: (lol bosses with 1-3 mechanics)

Nihilum
Death N Taxes


Everyone; GET BUST

fixed that for you

[Deleted]

Face it, if Method brought in special ops [...]

tbh the only special ops I saw is a 927 ilvl rogue that spookiie played (who already got a 917 rogue, so he knew how to play rogue). Other than that they all used their own characters.

[Deleted]

I rememeber the Siegecrafter posting, fun times. Then Paragons just fell flat.

[Deleted]

July 2012, 5 years so recent xD Just like if you said during Firelands that Nihilum's Illidan kill was recent.

I still put Ragnaros in the list because he was so ahead of it's time and could be very well considered a modern boss. There is a clear difference when you look at his abilities/mechanics compared to those of the other bosses of it's time.
Also i agree that Vanilla/BC bosses are not really relevant to the discussion

[TJ]

Tier 1:

Nihilum
Death N Taxes

Tier 2:
Method
Paragon


Everyone; GET BUST

Lol yeah right.

Paragon >>> everyone else for a looong time. No one dominated as bad as they did, bringing in rng dropping and tank hopping filled Classic is laughable.

[Netherblood]

I rememeber the Siegecrafter posting, fun times. Then Paragons just fell flat.

They didn't fall flat they took about same time to kill as Siegecrafter.

[Barnabas]

all the math boys so silent.

I was one of the ones that didn't think it was possible. Could've had some changes made this morning? More than likely unless someone from Method wants to confirm they killed the same boss they have fought past couple of days? If they did impressive.

[anon5123]

So in about a day we will have the community flip of "mathmatically impossible fuck you blizz" to "2nd week clear, to easy blizz"

pretty much, yeah

every time a mythic raid goes down in under a month, you have hordes of trolls with 0 mythic experience crying about how easy and undertuned the game is

[Deleted]

I was one of the ones that didn't think it was possible. Could've had some changes made this morning? More than likely unless someone from Method wants to confirm they fought the same boss the past couple of days? If they did impressive.

[Mhyroth]

Will it be a kill like Baleroc (Firelands) where they Deterrence-tanked the boss during the Enrage ? With the 5 Rogues in the Raid, it seems to me like it in some way.
Congratulations to Method nonetheless, had expected Exorsus to take a kill too today.
Still a shame that blatant Account sharing is accepted and not-punished in any shape or form. I assume if it brings in money for Blizzard it's fine.