Antifa group declared a "Domestic Terrorist" group by New Jersey Homeland Security

[Doctor Amadeus]

Well if called terrorist guess they have no reason not to act like it right full boat suicide bombing target?

Yeah always great when fragile white supremicist feel the need to declare war on unarmed American teens in skinny jeans while they stock every gun under the sun. Good move.

[The Stormbringer]

Domestic terrorism... in what way? I'm very confused. You have people who legit go places and stab or shoot people in the name of some cause that don't get branded with it, and these douchey assholes who cause riots and get into fights are? I'm not saying they shouldn't be prosecuted, they DEFINITELY should be whenever they break the damn law, but how are they terrorists? Are we going to see the terrorist label thrown at protesters next? Or people rioting after a football game? It's seriously stupid.

[Mormolyce]

*Looks up New Jersey Homeland Security*

*Wades through pages of infowars and other far right nutjob website links*

*Finds nothing*

So is this a Jersey thing?

[Mihalik]

That's not what's happening here in Brazil. Since 2012 antifa got mixed with the black block movement and now they will target anyone that disagrees with the big leftist parties.

And I'm not talking about neo-nazis/alt-right. They will label you a facist so they can legitimize any violence against you.

From their perspective, I'm a facist simply because I think our impeached president is a corrupt woman.

This is about US Antifa. What they do in Brazil is an altogether different question. Last I checked Brazil doesn't have in its government people like Steve Bannon or Sebastian Gorka, nor does it have people like Richard Spencer organizing rallies.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Whilst I'm all for non-tolerance towards violent protests and methods of pushing an agenda, it worries me just how desperate the alt-right is to point and deflect to the "violent left!!" whilst they themselves are on the rise. Most stories of this kind, stem from the fake news websites with an alt-right agenda at that...

If I had to choose between going into an area of antifa, or an area where neo-Nazis resides, I'd go with Antifa... And I'm as white as they come.

[Post]

Domestic terrorism... in what way? I'm very confused. You have people who legit go places and stab or shoot people in the name of some cause that don't get branded with it, and these douchey assholes who cause riots and get into fights are? I'm not saying they shouldn't be prosecuted, they DEFINITELY should be whenever they break the damn law, but how are they terrorists? Are we going to see the terrorist label thrown at protesters next? Or people rioting after a football game? It's seriously stupid.

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

[Runenwächter]

Much hyperbole. Are you seriously comparing a couple of anarchist squats in Berlin to this shit?

Colon cancer isnt the worst and most violent cancer. It's still cancer. Do I go around and aks everyone who is suffering from it "But what about Leukemia? What about Leukemia HUH?! What does colon cancer have on Leukemia?!". No I dont. Because that would be highly inappropriate, insensitive and I'm not massive cunt.

The existence of worse terrorist groups doesnt make a terrorist group/organisation that fits the definition to a T less of a terrorist organisation.

On another note, who are the gentlemen in the overly patriotic getup? Some caliber/RPM fetish group?

[Mihalik]

*Looks up New Jersey Homeland Security*

*Wades through pages of infowars and other far right nutjob website links*

*Finds nothing*

So is this a Jersey thing?

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/a...tifa?rq=antifa

For what that's worth.

[The Stormbringer]

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Sure seems like this hasn't been applied to enough people, then. Like, for example, the police and private security contractors who were using violence and intimidation against those protesters trying to stop the pipeline last year.

Not trying to draw you into an argument, just making an observation. It seems silly to whip it out with that definition for Antifa and let all the others slide.

[Mihalik]

The existence of worse terrorist groups doesnt make a terrorist group/organisation that fits the definition to a T less of a terrorist organisation.

They still don't qualify.

If Antifa is a terrorist organization then literally almost every soccer/football fan organization is. I seen celebrating college kids doing more damage than Antifa has ever done after a college football game.

[Post]

Sure seems like this hasn't been applied to enough people, then. Like, for example, the police and private security contractors who were using violence and intimidation against those protesters trying to stop the pipeline last year.

Not trying to draw you into an argument, just making an observation. It seems silly to whip it out with that definition for Antifa and let all the others slide.

Your example is sketchy but you can make that observation if you want, it definitely does not change the fact that antifa fit the bill perfectly.

[Taso]

Is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea a democratic country?

lol their not. Neither was the United socialist states of soviet Russia, F.Y.R.O.M or people's democratic republic of china. It's hard to explain on a gaming forum, if this was a debate in my college class people would get my point. I pointed to southern democrats because people are willfully ignorant that the democrats were never racist or had members who were racist. Like how people call the republicans as racist instead of small movements within the party. Also technically Southern dems were the conservative branch of the Democratic Party. Western states and northern ones either merged to form the original republicans or stayed away from the conflict entirely. Also I'm aware that democrat the word is different all over the world. National democrats of Germany are a neo nazi group, the democrats of Sweden are a type of far right party. And the English democrats are eurosceptics with neo facism as their agenda. Democrats of North Korea are socialist though I believe they also range somewhere in the far right atleast in the idea of social conservatism. How that works I don't know but it makes sense on the rigor and absolute attention the regime imposes on the people.
Anyhow I can't stand people to call one party racist and full of terrorist and not acknowledge the other side of the aisle.

[purebalance]

Actually the definition of terrorist is one who uses acts of force and shows of violence for a political agenda. You could say the United States of America and Republicans have been terrorists for decades with that logic.

Wrong. You left out a key word: Unlawful

[Nerdgasm]

This is about US Antifa. What they do in Brazil is an altogether different question. Last I checked Brazil doesn't have in its government people like Steve Bannon or Sebastian Gorka, nor does it have people like Richard Spencer organizing rallies.

That's why in my post I stated why I dislike antifa, although I sould probably have also stated that I was talking about brazilian antifa.

While we don't have much of a white supremacy movement we do have plenty of pro-military dictatorship conservatives here.

[purebalance]

Whilst I'm all for non-tolerance towards violent protests and methods of pushing an agenda, it worries me just how desperate the alt-right is to point and deflect to the "violent left!!" whilst they themselves are on the rise. Most stories of this kind, stem from the fake news websites with an alt-right agenda at that...

If I had to choose between going into an area of antifa, or an area where neo-Nazis resides, I'd go with Antifa... And I'm as white as they come.

Except there's far more Antifa than neo nazis, but people will sit and try make a news article about the latter more often to keep you thinking there's 5/10 of them in your neighborhood.

[Runenwächter]

They still don't qualify.

If Antifa is a terrorist organization then literally almost every soccer/football fan organization is. I seen celebrating college kids doing more damage than Antifa has ever done after a college football game.

No, I dont know about US hooligan culture, but the hooligan culture is a seperate entity from a fan club. What you have seen or not hardly qualifies even as anecdotal, what matters isnt the extent of damages. A million rude drivers of automobiles exist and those drivers cause more property damage and take more lives than antifa or armed trump fans do. So. fucking. What.

If I have to really explain the difference between these things to you are either massively autistic or not arguing in good faith. For why that is, i.E. trolling, attempting to get a rise out of me, or refusing to apply the smallest amout of common sense necessary to make a destinction between the two, instead deliberately looking to convice me that two things that are fundamentaly different in nature are in fact equal.

Nonetheless I thank you for considering my post worth your time and I wished I could've said the same viceversa.

[Bryntrollian]

So these people apparently attack white supremacists? Is there anything other than being violent towards them that makes them comparable to ISIS?

I think this guy is just having a bad day

[Queen of Hamsters]

Except there's far more Antifa than neo nazis, but people will sit and try make a news article about the latter more often to keep you thinking there's 5/10 of them in your neighborhood.

Hahaha! Not in my country.

[Orbitus]

Yet they still beat up people, bomb other buildings, and threaten to kill/torture white people if they ever say hi. Some of them even threaten to kill the president...

:/ So, they might not be just as bad, but they're still a fucking problem.

Wait, they have bombed buildings? LINK I want a fucking source that an "antifa" person has ever bombed anything.

[The Stormbringer]

Your example is sketchy but you can make that observation if you want, it definitely does not change the fact that antifa fit the bill perfectly.

It wasn't meant to be a serious example, since those people are 'the law' (at least partly, despite their actions). There are plenty of others who haven't gotten slapped with the label who clearly deserve it, if basing off of the same standards as Antifa.