Tomb of Sargeras Progression Thread

[Deleted]

Blizz fail this expansion with the gear.. Titanforge and stupid rng..
They are making bosses that gearcheckup is above the items that drops..Doing a boss that drops 930 ilvl items to need 940 ilvl ?

I wonder the good guilds that eventually are always gonna try for last boss kill...What the item required for them 960.. Those guild dont have 8 alts everyone to make gear up runs... Gonna fail ?

[Aggrophobic]

Piss poor effort by Blizzard changing these bosses after they have been defeated.
Is this the best they can do prevent their raid being stomped in under 2 resets?
Poor show.

Well, the bosses are actually well desigend. The issue is all the ways players can get good gear these days.
It used to be that you had to do current endgame content in order to clear endgame content.
It's not quite like that in Legion.

[OrcsRLame]

Tuningwise I think they should always go for something like Ulduar. Man, I loved that raid.

With the current raiding culture, (split raids, 12-15 hours a day of raiding, massive class stacking, heavy focus on automating anything possible with addons) Ulduar or something with that level of tuning would be full cleared (including hard modes and Yogg-0) day 1 by top guilds.

[Netherblood]

While that might be true, we can't be sure untill the post-race interviews where changes / nerfs during progress probably will be spoken through in detail and stuff like this confirmed / denied by the ppl that actually were there.

Well multiple method members confirmed that his HP was nerfed by 5% after their first day on him, damage increase from being in lava in p2 nerf is the one we are not sure about.

However his HP hasn't change'd since Alpha started streaming where most people got their info from and decided that the boss can't be killed. So most people thought concluded he can't be killed after HP nerf already. I also thought he was impossible last reset, obviously I was wrong.

[Floopa]

titanforging and relics make bosses very hard to tune (as a dps/healing check).

[Netherblood]

With the current raiding culture, (split raids, 12-15 hours a day of raiding, massive class stacking, heavy focus on automating anything possible with addons) Ulduar or something with that level of tuning would be full cleared (including hard modes and Yogg-0) day 1 by top guilds.

Its funny to think that Stars brought 5 locks to 25man raid for Yogg-0 and everyone said class stacking, and now we have 5 rogues on avatar in a 20man raid and thats just a usual top guild thing.

[apelsinjuice]

They failed hard with Emerald nightmare making it way too easy because TF/WF and now they are overtuning it instead so you need to be the same ilvl or even above what the bosses drops

[Rafoel]

I dont play because Legion is the Worst expansion but I love mythic races.

How can possibly anyone say that Legion is the WORST expansion?

[Fynzie]

How can possibly anyone say that Legion is the WORST expansion?

Because from a PVE standpoint it is ?

[Deleted]

Because from a PVE standpoint it is ?

You weren't playing WoD, right?

[Fynzie]

You weren't playing WoD, right?

That's not because you had to farm one year of HFC that the design was flawed, at least you could race somewhat decently without having a second job.

[Floopa]

You weren't playing WoD, right?

WoD didn't have titanforging or the AP-grind which plagued EN ToV NH or the legendary system which sucked until NH was well into farm and you could reliably have BiS.

[Aggrophobic]

How can possibly anyone say that Legion is the WORST expansion?

I agree with Legion being the worst expantion. The worst by far, actually. The RNG and legendaries are to blame for the most part.

[Deleted]

That's not because you had to farm one year of HFC that the design was flawed, at least you could race somewhat decently without having a second job.

As if this is a concern for you...

[Charge me Doctor]

WoD didn't have titanforging or the AP-grind which plagued EN ToV NH or the legendary system which sucked until NH was well into farm and you could reliably have BiS.

Fuck, speak about entitlement when people say shit like "reliably have BiS". I've rarely seen a raider in "full BiS" through vanilla to late wotlk, when bullshit like ICC and dragonsoul became a thing. Seriously, i can count people with full BiS by fingers on one hand.

[Floopa]

Fuck, speak about entitlement when people say shit like "reliably have BiS". I've rarely seen a raider in "full BiS" through vanilla to late wotlk, when bullshit like ICC and dragonsoul became a thing. Seriously, i can count people with full BiS by fingers on one hand.

an item which is 5 item levels higher is not going to give the same dps differences (or hps differences) as early legendaries did. MM boots, velen's future sight, fire mage bracers, frost DK helm etc.

[Lahis]

Fuck, speak about entitlement when people say shit like "reliably have BiS". I've rarely seen a raider in "full BiS" through vanilla to late wotlk, when bullshit like ICC and dragonsoul became a thing. Seriously, i can count people with full BiS by fingers on one hand.

We're not talking about every slot, were only talking about legendaries.

Some of them are fucking useless, and some huge DPS upgrades to the point of being mandatory. Getting Sephuz+Ekowraith deathcombo early in the expansion really sucked.

[Deleted]

You weren't playing WoD, right?

WoD had some amazing raiding (the only good thing about it)

[Charge me Doctor]

an item which is 5 item levels higher is not going to give the same dps differences (or hps differences) as early legendaries did. MM boots, velen's future sight, fire mage bracers, frost DK helm etc.

And that's relevant how exactly? Actually legendary items is the closest thing you can have to these "BiS" lists.

Off course 5 ilvl difference is not going to cut it, but you effectively compare a 940 item (legendary) to regular item (900? i already don't remeber), it's not 5 ilvls difference, legendaries simply as statsticks are HUGE improvement.

[-Annomander-]

Very intriguing that Blizzard seem to be breaking unintended strategies even after certain bosses have been defeated.

Blizzard must know fine and well that top guilds are going to stack certain classes which greatly simplify certain mechanics, begs the question why blizzard don't account for this beforehand?

What's next? Soaking a big meteor on KJ using an immunity no longer prevents but now only "delays" the raid wiping AoE until after the immunity expires?