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    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    I always had to laugh about this compared to the rest of the world, especially in Europe. I always considered myself fairly liberal with my policy positions but when talking to a few European friends in WOW they basically said I would be considered a level headed conservative in Europe.
    Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. Pure socialism is the opposite of pure capitalism (trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state).

    Most countries mix socialism and capitalism to a certain degree, even the US. There are a few service you do not want to be privatized such as law enforcement, defense, intelligence, judicial system, fire department. Can you imagine a country where the judicial system is a privately owned business, and which goal is to make a profit?

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    Probably their advisors should work for the GOP in that case. Seems those advisors focus too much on stereotypes.

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    The Democrats aren't left. Some left-leaning groups attach themselves to the Democrats, but the Democrats are generally very center-right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Friendly Kitty Cat View Post
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/chief-...rticle/2008717

    Whoa, more and more people are trying to distance themselves from left-wing ideology.


    Who knows if the Democrat Party is that smart though.
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    What's funny is, the same kind of person that will say "he needs time to do these things" will be the first to scream about no information being shown from the Muller investigations.
    I am sure building the wall, defeating ISIS, deporting illegal immigrants and such is going to be more time consuming than an investigation of collusion between President Donald Trump and the Russians, of which, so far, after 7 months, even though the liberal anti-trump hate brigade literally keeps saying the hammer is about to drop for the last 7 months, haven't produced a single bit of evidence.

    The FBI says there is no evidence, Diane Feinstein has said there is no evidence.

    "but, but, but, someone I know whose brother's wife's dad who plays golf with someone close to the investigation says in a couple days it will all come out".- This same bullshit line every couple of days for the last 7 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    Probably their advisors should work for the GOP in that case. Seems those advisors focus too much on stereotypes.
    They pretty much stepped into every "how can we demonize and mischaracterize the left" trap they possibly could.

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    A Clinton loyalist wants the Democrats to abandon the Left in favor of....moving further right-ward as Clinton was, and where Sanders and Warren aren't...
    Not surprised at all.


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    Ring wing policies don't work very well. I'd rather the entire country be more like California than Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Friendly Kitty Cat View Post
    I am sure building the wall, defeating ISIS, deporting illegal immigrants and such is going to be more time consuming than an investigation of collusion between President Donald Trump and the Russians, of which, so far, after 7 months, even though the liberal anti-trump hate brigade literally keeps saying the hammer is about to drop for the last 7 months, haven't produced a single bit of evidence.

    The FBI says there is no evidence, Diane Feinstein has said there is no evidence.

    "but, but, but, someone I know whose brother's wife's dad who plays golf with someone close to the investigation says in a couple days it will all come out".- This same bullshit line every couple of days for the last 7 months.
    I love how you guys are going out of your way to prove me right today.

    I fucking love it.

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    This thread is sounding a whole lot like the gay marriage thread about Germany where a bunch of straight people were telling gay folks what they should care about.

    Much like the left just couldn't understand the ideology that brought rise to Trump, the right will never understand why the left's ideology will continue to remain strong -- and continue to win (some) elections (because in case you missed it the Dems picked up seats in the house and senate in 2016).

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    Well, they did. They didn't vote for Sanders, and instead went with the more centrist candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Well, they did. They didn't vote for Sanders, and instead went with the more centrist candidate.
    But Hillary is/was a right wing authoritarian... who was this centrist of which you speak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    But Hillary is/was a right wing authoritarian... who was this centrist of which you speak?
    I wouldn't say she is or was a right wing authoritarian. A centrist authoritarian, sure. Right wing lite...mah, maybe. Still, to the center (and perhaps from there to the right) of Sanders.

    Also, I didn't read what the author of this piece was suggesting; was he saying abandon the left and go to the center, or abandon the left and go to the right? Doesn't matter though. They did abandon Sanders, and went to the center and right of him with Hillary. Hence, they did abandon the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    I wouldn't say she is or was a right wing authoritarian. A centrist authoritarian, sure. Right wing lite...mah, maybe. Still, to the center (and perhaps from there to the right) of Sanders.

    Also, I didn't read what the author of this piece was suggesting; was he saying abandon the left and go to the center, or abandon the left and go to the right? Doesn't matter though. They did abandon Sanders, and went to the center and right of him with Hillary. Hence, they did abandon the left.
    (shrug) not seen any analysis that didn't put her in the upper right quadrant of the political compass.
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    It seems to me Democrats' 'leftism' is only a problem on 'cultural' matters and it's the only thing that should be 'abandoned'. People would probably happily have free healthcare, free schools and similar 'economic' stuff like majority of civilised world do, but when it becomes about those 'cultural' matters like, idk - all men are rapists, all whites are racist, which bathroom you are allowed to use, fear of speaking out not to be labelled hate speech and such stuff, I can understand people would chose to stay away.

    And yes, I know that party's program is mostly about economical issues, but it matters very little when in public debates the same party (and their supporters) brings out 'cultural' issues much more often, i.e. 'grabbing by the pussy' or 'racism agains immigrants' being talked over everywhere in past elections, while talking relatively little about economical issues.

    It makes me wonder if Trump purposefully made himself look so bad only to make dems waste time criticising him on such 'cultural' matters so they never have time to talk about really important issues, which could've won them elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Friendly Kitty Cat View Post
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/chief-...rticle/2008717

    Whoa, more and more people are trying to distance themselves from left-wing ideology.


    Who knows if the Democrat Party is that smart though.
    It would be smart to dump the left wing ideology? Seriously? That is what cost them this past election and why we have the lying freeloader Trump in charge now.

    They snubbed their left wing voters cheating Sanders trying to suck up to right wing voters with Clinton who, by many, was called the best republican running.

    By the demographics, the party that has the left leaning progressive votes would own the country but the fact is that both parties are just varying degrees of right leaning and giving those voters nothing worth voting for and only stuff with voting against.

    But yeah, keep lying to yourself. Your emotions may have you thinking that the left wing ideology is unpopular while they data says the opposite.

    At least economically, when it comes to those cultural SJW left wing tea-party fringe standings, those are not very popular and turns many rational voters off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Still waiting for ISIS to be defeated in 30 days.

    Still waiting for the wall.

    Still waiting for Muslims from being banned.

    Still waiting for those 5 million illegal voters to be rooted out and deported.
    Still waiting for hillary to be locked up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Still waiting for hillary to be locked up
    The Far Right and the entire Left are still waiting for that, it is only the center right and moderate right who really wanted her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilch View Post
    It seems to me Democrats' 'leftism' is only a problem on 'cultural' matters and it's the only thing that should be 'abandoned'. People would probably happily have free healthcare, free schools and similar 'economic' stuff like majority of civilised world do, but when it becomes about those 'cultural' matters like, idk - all men are rapists, all whites are racist, which bathroom you are allowed to use, fear of speaking out not to be labelled hate speech and such stuff, I can understand people would chose to stay away.

    And yes, I know that party's program is mostly about economical issues, but it matters very little when in public debates the same party (and their supporters) brings out 'cultural' issues much more often, i.e. 'grabbing by the pussy' or 'racism agains immigrants' being talked over everywhere in past elections, while talking relatively little about economical issues.

    It makes me wonder if Trump purposefully made himself look so bad only to make dems waste time criticising him on such 'cultural' matters so they never have time to talk about really important issues, which could've won them elections.
    Democrats aren't interested in real issues. They've embraced their corporate overlords. Distracting the masses with relatively irrelevant issues while passing stuff against the interests of the American people is the platform they've taken up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilch View Post
    It seems to me Democrats' 'leftism' is only a problem on 'cultural' matters and it's the only thing that should be 'abandoned'. People would probably happily have free healthcare, free schools and similar 'economic' stuff like majority of civilised world do, but when it becomes about those 'cultural' matters like, idk - all men are rapists, all whites are racist, which bathroom you are allowed to use, fear of speaking out not to be labelled hate speech and such stuff, I can understand people would chose to stay away.
    "All men are rapists" and "all whites are racist" are bits of nonsense you've made up that have nothing at all to do with the Democrats, or left-wing views in general.
    It's the right wing Republicans who are all up in arms about which bathrooms people use, not the Democrats.
    And if someone's concerned about being labelled a racist for saying something racist, maybe try not being a racist. People accurately labelling someone isn't an injustice that someone is suffering from.
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