Will the USA every have free healthcare?

[Draco-Onis]

Why wouldn't we pay more taxes. The money has to come from someplace to fund it. Canada has a universal healthcare system and pays a crap load in their taxes; which the majority goes to their healthcare.

We can close giant tax loopholes for corporations and the rich, I don't think anyone would disagree that multi billion dollar corporations and the rich paying nothing in taxes is right. Also as I just pointed out a lot of the cost is because there are no price controls on what hospitals and drug companies can charge you. The tax reform may not even be needed since we already spend more than anyone else we just don't spend the money the right way.

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do europeans even understand obamacare? they ask this question like we havent had free healthcare for the poor for a while now. and why do the well off need free healthcare? i dont mind the single payer system myself but the question is absurd and misinformed.

also people dying cause they cant afford healthcare? BULL FUCKING SHIT

Wait, why should only the "poor" as you say it get free healthcare? The "well off"? Uh what about people in the middle, medium income families, who lives a comfortable life but would never ever be able to afford 10 - 100.000 dollars worth of medical bills. Thank GOD I live in Europe. You have to be rich to enjoy life in USA, more or less.

[Kellhound]

Wait, why should only the "poor" as you say it get free healthcare? The "well off"? Uh what about people in the middle, medium income families, who lives a comfortable life but would never ever be able to afford 10 - 100.000 dollars worth of medical bills. Thank GOD I live in Europe. You have to be rich to enjoy life in USA, more or less.

Eh, middle class generally has health insurance from work. I have a shitty plan and I still have a $3k out of pocket max for the entire family.

[Crissi]

Eh, middle class generally has health insurance from work. I have a shitty plan and I still have a $3k out of pocket max for the entire family.

Which works as long as the Obamacare standards are in place. As soon as they're not, work likely will need to pay more to keep the same policy coverage (due to price tiers for different coverage). Which means they may just drop it and we'd need to pay out of pocket.

[Maruka]

I think they are slowly going down the correct path. There is some major changes that need to be made with the people profiting off the current system though.

[LaserChild9]

Why not just ask "Will the US ever force the rich and middle class to 100% subsidize the health care of the lower classes?" Its a more accurate question.

Yeah! Because fuck the lower classes! If they are unfortunate enough to not be able to afford healthcare let them fucking die, yeah! As long as the rich folk can afford it its all good right? Right?

so why are we talking about it now that we have fixed the healthcare for the poor? the OP asks if we will ever(y) get free healthcare. and the answer is yes we already have free healthcare.

So why is health insurance a thing? Why does everyone need health insurance to pay for medical care in emergencies which is already free? Why are there Americans in this thread that don't seem to have heard of your magical "free" healthcare? Is it a secret?

Why would we need to pay more taxes? we spend more now than anyone else in the world, all we would need is to do some tax reforms and put price controls on drugs and hospitals. I mean it's no shock we pay more when hospitals charge you 500% mark up for advil and drug companies raise prices 4-7,000% overnight because they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here but it feels like you are saying that America pays more taxes than any other country in the world? If so, hate to break it to you, but you aren't even in the top 10: http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/c...the-world.html

As for price controls, I agree. Health care should not be for profit, it's disgusting to try to make profit from sick and dying people.

[Sodka]

We can close giant tax loopholes for corporations and the rich, I don't think anyone would disagree that multi billion dollar corporations and the rich paying nothing in taxes is right. Also as I just pointed out a lot of the cost is because there are no price controls on what hospitals and drug companies can charge you. The tax reform may not even be needed since we already spend more than anyone else we just don't spend the money the right way.

You close those giant loopholes then the rich would not benefit, and those in power won't let that happen. You close one loophole and another opens, or they move their main headquarters over-seas so prevent paying into the system. I agree that it is not right that these corporations get away with out paying billions into the system, and with our current system where it is controlled by those people in power then I am not sure what can be done?

[I Push Buttons]

Why wouldn't we pay more taxes. The money has to come from someplace to fund it. Canada has a universal healthcare system and pays a crap load in their taxes; which the majority goes to their healthcare.

People would pay more taxes, but they wouldn't pay more in general... If anything they would pay less.

To elaborate... Your taxes would go up, but you (or your employer) would no longer be buying private insurance, leaving you in the same financial situation as previously, perhaps even a better situation.

Better in that the government can eliminate the profit margin private insurers need to maintain, can negotiate better rates being the only customer (in a single payer system), eliminate a lot of overhead in the removal of redundant bureaucracies of various insurance companies into one single bureaucracy (the government office responsible for administrating the single payer system), etc... All of which equate to lower costs for you, relative to the current system of for profit private insurance.

[PickleballAce]

Probably around the same time that Europeans actually learn what "free" means.

[Kellhound]

Which works as long as the Obamacare standards are in place. As soon as they're not, work likely will need to pay more to keep the same policy coverage (due to price tiers for different coverage). Which means they may just drop it and we'd need to pay out of pocket.

Actually, I have always had employer provided health care, Obamacare did nothing for me.

[Stop Pretending]

No. Because healthcare is never free you pay taxes into it.

[Crissi]

Actually, I have always had employer provided health care, Obamacare did nothing for me.

I mean that all insurance currently has to have a minimum amount of care as outlined in Obamacare. Remove that, and insurance can start offering even less for cheaper (or the same as current). Which could mean needing to pay more to keep the same coverage

Which of course acts as a punishment for pre-existing conditions. feh.

[oxymoronic]

Wait, why should only the "poor" as you say it get free healthcare? The "well off"? Uh what about people in the middle, medium income families, who lives a comfortable life but would never ever be able to afford 10 - 100.000 dollars worth of medical bills. Thank GOD I live in Europe. You have to be rich to enjoy life in USA, more or less.

huh, you think they don't have insurance? why do you think this? people in middle income medium families have medical insurance and can afford it otherwise they wouldn't be deemed middle class. where do you get this crazy idea? and the bills are high but insurance pays for majority of it and if you're poor pays for it ALL.

you guys are being lied to, then repeat your lies in your little echo chambers. well im here to tell you, you're wrong and you're lying, please stop.

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Actually, I have always had employer provided health care, Obamacare did nothing for me.

Well if you had a good job obamacare actually hurt your health care. nobody has the same healthcare at the same rates as they did 2013. not even close. but that wasn't the point, the point was so many poor americans can have healthcare as well.

[oxymoronic]

People would pay more taxes, but they wouldn't pay more in general... If anything they would pay less.

To elaborate... Your taxes would go up, but you (or your employer) would no longer be buying private insurance, leaving you in the same financial situation as previously, perhaps even a better situation.

Better in that the government can eliminate the profit margin private insurers need to maintain, can negotiate better rates being the only customer (in a single payer system), eliminate a lot of overhead in the removal of redundant bureaucracies of various insurance companies into one single bureaucracy (the government office responsible for administrating the single payer system), etc... All of which equate to lower costs for you, relative to the current system of for profit private insurance.

sounds good to me

at this point i dont see how it could be any worse than allowing insurance companies to make bank off peoples health.

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So why is health insurance a thing? Why does everyone need health insurance to pay for medical care in emergencies which is already free? Why are there Americans in this thread that don't seem to have heard of your magical "free" healthcare? Is it a secret?


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personally i've never heard of any american that doesn't know about obamacare. the guy from NJ was obviously trolling or just playing stupid. also can you blame the system if a stupid person with all the tv ads and all the radio ads and all the bus ads and all the magazine ads and all the internet ads still cant figure out they have free healthcare available to them if they cannot afford it, well then they deserve to die from their medical problem.

[Ave07]

Yeah when you turn 65 you get medicare or if you have a low income or are disabled you are eligible for medcaid.

[Radaney]

Lol no. The greed will only grow.

[kail]

I'm confident that in the future, both parties will agree on some Universal Healthcare reform (single-payer or free). With the current administration, not a chance.

[Polarthief]

Not until we get less corrupt pricks in office/house/etc. We need people who actually give a fuck about basic human rights and equality, not keeping foreigners out, building a wall, and visiting Florida every other week, causing highway closures and massively reducing productivity in the area (seriously, at least 1 or 2 highways get closed down here every 2 weeks for that orange fuckwit).

I'm honestly baffled how it's 2017 and we still have people thinking abortion, LGBT marriage, and keeping the 1% tax rate low are the most important issues to them. But our awful unemployment, healthcare, and schooling systems? Nah fuck those, they don't mean anything.


Though lets all be honest with ourselves, the 2016 election was a lose-lose situation for America, regardless of who you "support", what color you are (racial and/or political colors), and if you have a vagina or not. There was nothing positive coming out of this joke of an election; hopefully 2020 will be different?

[Traveler Voltin]

The healthcare people want must be taxed but they dont want to taxed.

[Blade Wolf]

I got the hefty sum of 10$ when I visit the doctor, 20-30$ if it is a specialist doctor.

Yeah us Swedes have it really bad. Once i'e paid about 1100 sek. all hospital visits are free for a year. It's really a cruel world.