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    Post Supreme Court says no legal error in acquitting woman who had sex with14-year-old boy

    The Supreme Court of Canada says the trial judge who acquitted a 35-year-old woman of sexual assault charges for having sex with a 14-year-old boy did not make any error in law.

    On Friday, the Supreme Court released written reasons for its May ruling where justices said Saskatchewan resident Barbara George should not face a new trial on sexual interference and sexual assault charges.

    The five-member panel said a majority on the appeals court "confused" the issue of disputing the trial judge's findings of facts with whether he actually made an error in law. The Crown is permitted to appeal an acquittal only if there is an error in law.

    "It translated its strong opposition to the trial judge's factual inferences into supposed legal errors," the written decision reads. "Here, that was an improper approach, and it disregarded the restraint required by Parliament's choice to limit Crown appeals from acquittals in proceedings by indictment to questions of law alone."

    The case involves Canada's laws on age of consent, and a section of the Criminal Code that requires an adult to take "reasonable steps" to determine the age of a person before engaging in sex with them.
    Initial acquittal

    George was acquitted of the charges because the trial judge found the sexual activity was "factually consensual" — that she honestly believed the boy was at least 16, and there was reasonable doubt she had not taken all reasonable steps to determine the age of the boy, called "C.D." His full name is protected by a publication ban.

    He was attending a party at her home the night of the encounter

    She did not ask the boy his age. But the Supreme Court said "reasonable steps" is open-ended language and that determining age is a "highly contextual, fact-specific exercise."


    According to documents filed by the appellant with the Supreme Court, George assumed C.D. was over the age of 16 because he had facial hair, a mature demeanour and apparent sexual experience. He also smoked and took care of his younger siblings.

    Today the Supreme Court reasoned that, "the more reasonable an accused's perception of the complainant's age, the fewer steps reasonably required of them."

    "In some cases, it may be reasonable to ask a partner's age. It would be an error, however, to insist that a reasonable person would ask a partner's age in every case," the decision reads. "Conversely, it would be an error to assert that a reasonable person would do no more than ask a partner's age in every case, given the commonly recognized motivation for young people to misrepresent their age."

    According to the documents, George did not realize how old he was until several months later, when she applied to become an RCMP officer. One of the questions on the questionnaire asked if she had ever had sexual activity with someone under 16.
    RCMP application leads to charges

    After checking with her son about the age of C.D., she answered the form in the affirmative.

    That led to an RCMP investigation and subsequent charges laid against her.

    George was acquitted at trial. While the judge said she exhibited an "appalling lack of judgment" by talking to the complainant in her bedroom for several hours that night, there was not enough evidence to show she deliberately broke the law.

    The Saskatchewan Court of Appeal, in a majority decision, allowed the Crown's subsequent appeal, sending the matter to the country's highest court.

    "This case involves a 35-year-old woman who was the sole parent and adult at a high school party when she had sexual intercourse with a boy who was half her age and young enough to be her teenage son," reads a court document filed by the respondent, the Attorney General of Saskatchewan.

    "Despite all of that, she took no steps to ascertain the complainant's age before she had sex with him. In fact, she did not turn her mind to the issue of the complainant's age at all until months later."

    Dean Sinclair, a Crown attorney with the Saskatchewan government, said the decision makes clear that if the trial judge made errors, they were not errors of law. But the high court also stressed the explicit responsibility of adults to determine the age of a sex partner.

    "I think the court was trying to say that all of this is very case-specific," he told CBC News.

    "The issues will be different in each and every case. The legal issues will be the same, but the evidence will be different, and how that's resolved will be different."

    But he said the notion of whether someone should ascertain a potential sex partner's age by the fact they smoke cigarettes will likely be a subject for continuing debate.

    In 2008, the Conservative government led by Stephen Harper raised the legal age of consent in Canada from 14 to 16, the first change to the law since 1892.

    The Criminal Code amendment allowed for "close in age" or "peer group" exceptions. That means a 14- or 15-year-old can consent as long as the partner is less than five years older, and a 12- or 13-year-old can consent if the partner is less than two years older.

    The age of consent remained 18 if the sexual activity involves someone in a position of authority, trust or dependency, or involves exploitation such as pornography or prostitution.
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    Do you agree with this ruling or should we have locked her up?
    It seems like in cases like this we should be safe and not sorry right?

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    Makes no difference how we may feel about it, if Canada's Supreme Court's decisions are final like they are here in the US, it is done. I think it was a wrong decision. Then again, I have disagreed with some of our top court's decisions. But someone has to have the last say.

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    Morally, let's see a demonstration of harm.

    Legally, I don't care - that's something lawyers can discuss.

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    #itsonlyrapewhenmendoit

    Canadian law explicitly states that no one may have sex if they are at least 5 years older and the victim is between 14 and 18. After the age of 18, you are considered an adult even though consent for sex is 14, that only constitutes that both participants are between the ages of 14 and 18. If you are a legal adult (as in 18 or older) and you have sex with someone who is 14, you are to go to jail as the law says that is rape, regardless of gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    #itsonlyrapewhenmendoit

    Canadian law explicitly states that no one may have sex if they are at least 5 years older and the victim is between 14 and 18. After the age of 18, you are considered an adult even though consent for sex is 14, that only constitutes that both participants are between the ages of 14 and 18. If you are a legal adult (as in 18 or older) and you have sex with someone who is 14, you are to go to jail as the law says that is rape, regardless of gender.

    You clearly didn't read the OP, because the actual law is quoted in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    Morally, let's see a demonstration of harm.

    Legally, I don't care - that's something lawyers can discuss.
    Well, it's against the law according to our laws. The law clearly states that this woman is guilty. It's bullshit that the Supreme Court so blatantly obstructed justice and the law, probably due to the fact that the accused in this case was a woman because feminism. The law says she should go to jail, and that is how the Supreme Court failed. They fucked it up, and are going to reap what they have sown.

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    #doublestandard

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    I could maybe see it if this was some adult party and somehow this kid was there, but this was specifically a high schoolers party which meant it's pretty damn likely anyone there is under 16. According to what I read about it she didn't even ask him his age... Wouldn't that be the absolute minmum for making reasonably sure the person is lof legal age. Sounds like you need to impeach./disbar a lot of judges in Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexkeren View Post
    You clearly didn't read the OP, because the actual law is quoted in it.
    lol, so easily believing the bullshit that the CBC writers come up with is cute. You are aware that the CBC is willingly stirring the pot on a number of different subjects pertaining to Canada right now? If not, you should do some research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vhatever View Post
    I could maybe see it if this was some adult party and somehow this kid was there, but this was specifically a high schoolers party which meant it's pretty damn likely anyone there is under 16. According to what I read about it she didn't even ask him his age... Wouldn't that be the absolute minmum for making reasonably sure the person is lof legal age. Sounds like you need to impeach./disbar a lot of judges in Canada.
    14 is the age of consent, so long as the person you are consenting isn't over the age of 18.

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    You all know that if it were a Man with a 14 y/o girl, they would have hung him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    lol, so easily believing the bullshit that the CBC writers come up with is cute. You are aware that the CBC is willingly stirring the pot on a number of different subjects pertaining to Canada right now? If not, you should do some research.

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    14 is the age of consent, so long as the person you are consenting isn't over the age of 18.
    Sounds like you need to work on that reading comprehension. According to the law she needed to take reasonable precaution to make sure he was 16.
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    Brb, gonna have sex with a 14 year old Canadian girl that has big boobs, has a well-defined shaving routine, baby sits, and smokes. It will be legal as long as we talk for a few hours first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexkeren View Post
    You clearly didn't read the OP, because the actual law is quoted in it.
    She did not ask the boy his age. But the Supreme Court said "reasonable steps" is open-ended language and that determining age is a "highly contextual, fact-specific exercise."

    yeah that friend of her son (presumably, the same age) - She had no idea, and never asked, his age.
    You know, he could have been 16...
    This loophole i'm 1000% certain only gets through judicial muster when the rapist has two XX chromosomes.

    because the trial judge found the sexual activity was "factually consensual"
    Someone should tell the JUDGE, that doesn't fucking matter.
    She should be in jail, and I know that if it had been reversed in genders, The rapist would be.
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    Clear double standard. If the genders were reversed, a male having sex with a 14yo girl would be burnt at the stake.

    I've seen 14-16 year old girls at my daughter's school more physically developed than a lot of adult women, throw some make up on them and they would easily pass as an adult. Yet if I was to engage in sex with any of them I'd be incarcerated before I could blink.

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