G20 Riots Hamburg

[Northy]

RIP Europe. Poland is your last hope.

[Noradin]

Police should really start opening fire on crowds once stores start being looted.
A Zero-Tolerance policy, loot and die approach.
The first window broken means a total crackdown return to your home or be purged by the police approach.

Good idea, don't forget to always have some agents at hand who are equipped with some stones so they can break some windows when the protesting is unwelcome to those in charge.

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RIP Europe. Poland is your last hope.

Yeah... no.

[Torto]

Capitalism is a system built on the exploitation of the masses for the gain of the elites. A handful of people own as much as half of the global population. That is violence and theft.

It is an inhumane system that can not exist without human suffering.

Fuck some people out there believe in some weird shit. Yet everyone laughs at the alt right for their conspiracy bullshit.

[Elba]

Fuck some people out there believe in some weird shit. Yet everyone laughs at the alt right for their conspiracy bullshit.

What was factually wrong about my statement?

[JohnBrown1917]

Police should really start opening fire on crowds once stores start being looted.
A Zero-Tolerance policy, loot and die approach.
The first window broken means a total crackdown return to your home or be purged by the police approach.

Good thing Germany is not that extreme.

RIP Europe. Poland is your last hope.

lol

[Torto]

What was factually wrong about my statement?

Umm....the words.

Reacquaint yourself to the meaning of capitalism. It is not the bogeyman for all the ills and injustices in the world, thats just blinkered left wing thinking. Unscrupulous people exploit weak people, and that happens in any societal system. Even in an anarchist one.

[Runenwächter]

Provided he isnt just trolling its not like he'd understand it even if you go into more detail and lay out a history lesson and basic economics step by step. He just ignores anything remotely resembling coherent thought and rambles on about colonialism and what the world owes people of african ancestry. He rephrases it each time, but it boils down to the "we wuz kingz and shiet" meme.

[Shaktard]

Worthless antifa scum

[Deletedaccount1]

Capitalism is a system built on the exploitation of the masses for the gain of the elites. A handful of people own as much as half of the global population. That is violence and theft.

It is an inhumane system that can not exist without human suffering.

Almost half of the global population lives hand to mouth and they have always lived that way. A few people in the first world making a lot of money by owning successful companies doesn't change that fact. I don't see how that is violence or theft because they took nothing from them nor did they even interact with them negatively.

[Post]

Yeah...this isn't the US, people here doesn't want your police state bullshit, especially as the violent and the looters make up a minuscule percentage of the total number of protestors.

...that doesn't happen in the US though.

[Forogil]

Almost half of the global population lives hand to mouth and they have always lived that way.

You are being too kind to your opponent.

Global absolute poverty is actually decreasing.

We even had a number of years without any famines (stopped last year - due to countries using famine as a weapon in civil wars) - compared to millions dying yearly a few decades ago.

So, if half the population is living hand to mouth that is not the same as previously - but a decrease!

A few people in the first world making a lot of money by owning successful companies doesn't change that fact. I don't see how that is violence or theft because they took nothing from them nor did they even interact with them negatively.

Many of the ills in the world - including the corrupt regimes causing the harm in Africa (and elsewhere) and the rioters in Hamburg - are based on the incorrect and dangerous idea of a zero-sum world.

Basically it is too complicated to understand how a successful company can benefit everyone - and when someone says "it's because they exploit (or steal from) someone else" they incorrectly think they understand it, and think that the road to success is stealing.

[Noradin]

Many of the ills in the world - including the corrupt regimes causing the harm in Africa (and elsewhere) and the rioters in Hamburg - are based on the incorrect and dangerous idea of a zero-sum world.

Basically it is too complicated to understand how a successful company can benefit everyone - and when someone says "it's because they exploit (or steal from) someone else" they incorrectly think they understand it, and think that the road to success is stealing.

It's probably because they rely on their fingers for counting and that is as far as they got in maths.

[Zoranon]

[QUOTE=Forogil;46442958
Many of the ills in the world - including the corrupt regimes causing the harm in Africa (and elsewhere) and the rioters in Hamburg - are based on the incorrect and dangerous idea of a zero-sum world.

Basically it is too complicated to understand how a successful company can benefit everyone - and when someone says "it's because they exploit (or steal from) someone else" they incorrectly think they understand it, and think that the road to success is stealing.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, Marxism is the cause for many evils in our world, but this demented idea that economy is a zero sum situation might be the worst of them, responsible for much of the poverty in our world.

[Cyberowl]

RIP Europe. Poland is your last hope.

Yeah, because violent thugs in Poland aren't a thing.

[Elba]

Umm....the words.

Reacquaint yourself to the meaning of capitalism. It is not the bogeyman for all the ills and injustices in the world, thats just blinkered left wing thinking. Unscrupulous people exploit weak people, and that happens in any societal system. Even in an anarchist one.

Capitalism is a system that explicitly is built upon exploitation. It is the only way it functions.

Almost half of the global population lives hand to mouth and they have always lived that way. A few people in the first world making a lot of money by owning successful companies doesn't change that fact. I don't see how that is violence or theft because they took nothing from them nor did they even interact with them negatively.

The wealth is amassed through the exploitation of workers, consumers, the environment. That is the negative interaction. The cheap shit you buy exists because the poor all over the world bleed for it.

[Nehezbegar]

Yeah, because violent thugs in Poland aren't a thing.

Well can't recall burning cars and burning streets in Poland recently...hmmmmm

The wealth is amassed through the exploitation of workers, consumers, the environment. That is the negative interaction. The cheap shit you buy exists because the poor all over the world bleed for it.

Ofc it is. The worker in factory A is exploited, but then after the work he wants the worker from factory B to be exploited so he can buy cheap products made by factory B .

[Taso]

Capitalism is a system that explicitly is built upon exploitation. It is the only way it functions.



The wealth is amassed through the exploitation of workers, consumers, the environment. That is the negative interaction. The cheap shit you buy exists because the poor all over the world bleed for it.

And what did socialism bring in the last hundred years? Exactly death destruction and poverty. The fact that Karl Marxes socialism had to reform several if not hundreds of times in the last hundred years tells you why it's a faliure. If we go back to the owenities and st Simon utopian communism they failed. All throughout history of the proto socialism to modern socialism/communism has failed from diggers in England to current china where their socialist with Chinese characteristics but have liberal economic zones in order to reap extra profits.
As for capitalism Even the USA as capitalist as we get called never had a system that actually provided it. The late eighteen hundreds which is usually the time period were targeted for had tariffs that profited the industrial regions of north and mid west. We had accrued wealth from making cheap American products and reducing foreign input, no wealth came from a free market. We were protectionist much like Europe back then. One of the main point of capitalism was to open up free trade and allow countries and everyone to prosper not hurt as these Marxist like to call it. Plus more people have benefited from a capitalistic society then what's credited. Poverty has sharply gone down since the Great Depression and probably since most of history that has recorded it. Sure it's not perfect but you know what people have it better now then years ago.

[Zoranon]

Capitalism is a system that explicitly is built upon exploitation. It is the only way it functions.



The wealth is amassed through the exploitation of workers, consumers, the environment. That is the negative interaction. The cheap shit you buy exists because the poor all over the world bleed for it.

No it is not, unless you define exploitation as engaging in mutually beneficial transaction.

You are hilariously wrong.

[Strangebrew]

Their behaviour isn't really that surprising, when you see shit like this.



Leftist fascists pretending to not be fascists, it's bizarre.

[Nehezbegar]

Their behaviour isn't really that surprising, when you see shit like this.



Leftist fascists pretending to not be fascists, it's bizarre.

Hahahahah this is brilliant