(Possible Spoilers?) Jaina Proudmoore Betrays The Alliance?

[Friendlyimmolation]

She was the number 1 suspect for Vol'jin death,

behold the true form of Sylvanas.

Helya has tentacle and probably related to N'zoth or Old God or whatever so maybe Sylvanas had some strange pact with her.

nothing has shown Helya to be alinged with Old god forces.

[Zulkhan]

She was the number 1 suspect for Vol'jin death

What a master plan. So masterful that she got the Warchief position by sheer luck, basically.

behold the true form of Sylvanas.

3/10 no undead titties for Horde fanboys to jerk off.

[Shampro]

Sylvanas when chosen as Warchief totally the face of a masterful plan, friends. That demon was a pal, .

*Proceeds to stand in shock forever in front of the throne, someone actually trusted me?*



P.S. The Jaina thing is equally stupid, even though I don't like where they've taken her character.

[Leih]

Except Theramore was originally bombed as a pre-launch to Mists of Pandaria before anyone even saw a Pandaren let alone Garrosh getting a hold of Y'shaarj heart to be influenced by an old god...

If the quote applies to Jaina (I don't even think it does, but if it does...) then I would imagine the meaning is more like after Theramore was destroyed (unrelated to the Old God's) they started whispering to her and corrupting her and she fell for corruption because of her despair and anger, which made her susceptible to that kind of corruption.

I don't think the quote would in any way imply the Old Gods were directly involved in destroying Theramore.

[dev'olution]

It does kinda tie into the whispers of Illgynoth thing.

That said, could also just be ol' Varimathras up to his old tricks again.

[Deleted]

What a master plan. So masterful that she got the Warchief position by sheer luck, basically.

She is like the Lelouch of Wow.


Also she is "puzzled" not shocked that they "trusted" her, because I'm quite sure Vol'jin knew something and the "loas" whispering him are probably more than we can though

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nothing has shown Helya to be alinged with Old god forces.

She rebelled against Odyn after getting transformed into a Valkyr and she helped Loken to imprison Odyn, and we know what Loken did in woltk and why.


so....maybe......

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Loken had an affair with Sif, the wife of his brother Thorim. Yogg-Saron, from his prison within Ulduar, muddled Loken's thoughts and made him lash out at Sif, scared at the thought of losing her, and he killed her by accident. Horrified at what he had done but too scared to tell Thorim the truth, Loken tricked Thorim into believing that it had been the work of Arngrim, the king of the ice giants, turning Thorim against his allies. Loken would stop the war between Thorim's and Arngrim's forces with an army he had created with the Forge of Wills, but unknown to Loken Yogg-Saron had planted the curse of flesh inside the forge, which would slowly convert titan-forged into flesh and could also spread to those forged before the curse was created.[3]

After Thorim retreated to the Temple of Storms in despair, Loken was desperate to cover his actions, even if it meant using Yogg-Saron's power to do so, for if Algalon or the Pantheon ever found out his life would be forfeit. He arranged the death of Mimiron, making it look like a lab accident, though Mimiron's mechagnome followers would create a new mechagnome body to house the Keeper's soul. Loken subdued Hodir and Freya, corrupting them into complacency with Yogg-Saron. He convinced the titan-forged Helya to imprison Odyn, the Prime Designate, within his Halls of Valor, claiming the title of Prime Designate that was rightfully Odyn's in the process. Loken expected Ra to come up from the south and investigate what was going on, but Ra never arrived. This is because he had discovered that the Pantheon was dead, killed by Sargeras, and had locked himself up in the Mogu'shan Vaults in despair. Afterward, Loken exiled all titan-forged from Ulduar and retreated into the depths of the complex.[3]

The final two Keepers were Tyr and Archaedas, who had seen what Loken did to the others and left before he could reach them, alongside their friend the giantess Ironaya and the earthen, mechagnomes, and vrykul of the Storm Peaks. Tyr and his allies stole the Discs of Norgannon, which record all history in the world,[3] to investigate the extent of Loken's betrayal. Discovering the theft, Loken sent horrific monsters called C'Thraxxi after Tyr's group, but Tyr sacrificed his life to fight the creatures while his comrades escaped with the discs

So we know that LOKEN had ties with Old Gods.

[Friendlyimmolation]

She rebelled against Odyn after getting transformed into a Valkyr and she helped Loken to imprison Odyn, and we know what Loken did in woltk and why.


so....maybe......

maybe isnt certain. She agreed to help Loken to screw over the guy who killed her, not to help the Old Gods.

[Deleted]

The use of active and passive voice is used wisely. Nothing tell us that the female's actions are Sylvanas actions.Yes someone plots against the alliance thrones and forsaken banners will desecrate alliance strongholds etc but nowhere is mentioned that this plot comes from the forsaken (and it is weird it mentions forsaken banners and not horde banners).
Again the title of warchief was given to Sylvanas as a result of a plot buyt nowhere is it mentioned that Sylvanas had something to do with it.
Actually I cannot think of any way Sylvanas agenda being tied to the warchief title or to the destruction of Alliance.
On the contrary I could think of many Azeroth threats being happy with the aforementioned.


And then I cannot help but listening to Prince Farondis Moto: Do not trust blindly anyone especially your leaders.

[Zulkhan]

She is like the Lelouch of Wow.

Can't wait for Sylvanas starting to scream "I'll mass-murder the world in order to save it!"

Also she is "puzzled" not shocked that they "trusted" her, because I'm quite sure Vol'jin knew something and the "loas" whispering him are probably more than we can though

Puzzled? The bitch basically turned into a statue before the throne. Didn't move a muscle for whole minutes.

That's not shock, indeed, is even worse.

[Aucald]

I've got to agree, in the cinematic Sylvanas looks pretty taken aback by the offer, especially on the heels of what previously felt like a condemnation from a dying Vol'jin. Her face is hard-set, fully expecting more venom to follow - the pronouncement that she must lead the Horde leaves her effectively gobsmacked and the confusion and shock seem pretty evident.

The wheels might have started turning shortly afterward, but that is besides the point. At the moment she was asked to take on the role of Warchief she was as surprised as likely everyone else watching it.

[Evangeliste]

If the quote applies to Jaina (I don't even think it does, but if it does...) then I would imagine the meaning is more like after Theramore was destroyed (unrelated to the Old God's) they started whispering to her and corrupting her and she fell for corruption because of her despair and anger, which made her susceptible to that kind of corruption.

I don't think the quote would in any way imply the Old Gods were directly involved in destroying Theramore.

Could you provide evidence of that? I'd like to see it.

[Leih]

Could you provide evidence of that? I'd like to see it.

There is no evidence for that. Hence why I used the word "imagine" The quote from Ill'gynoth is intentionally very vague. The Old God's are meant to mislead and confuse and sow seeds of distrust.

The quote could apply to several things or people, including Azeroth itself. There's no evidence or proof that it applies to any particular person or thing. Not yet.

What I'm doing - it's called speculation! I'm just giving an example of a possible scenario where this quote could relate to Jaina. It just as easily could not be true.

[Evangeliste]

There is no evidence for that. The quote from Ill'gynoth is intentionally very vague. The Old God's are meant to mislead and confuse and sow seeds of distrust.

The quote could apply to several things or people, including Azeroth itself. There's no evidence or proof that it applies to any particular person or thing. Not yet.

What I'm doing - it's called speculation! I'm just giving an example of a possible scenario where this quote could relate to Jaina. It just as easily could not be true.

Yes, I gathered it was speculation. Which why it also makes no sense to say it's about Jaina. There would be a Sha born from her ill will just like Garrosh fed the Sha of Pride. She was present on the Pandaria, in the Alliance base in Krasarang Wilds so the Sha could easily come across her since she was on the same island and lots more involvement with the Old Gods could could aid in that corruption but in 5.1 patch of content it isn't so.

[Leih]

Yes, I gathered it was speculation. Which why it also makes no sense to say it's about Jaina. There would be a Sha born from her ill will just like Garrosh fed the Sha of Pride. She was present on the Pandaria, in the Alliance base in Krasarang Wilds so the Sha could easily come across her since she was on the same island and lots more involvement with the Old Gods could could aid in that corruption but in 5.1 patch of content it isn't so.

Who says it happened immediately?

[gutnbrg]

this is probably just something that is whispered to an alliance leader to make them start really questioning Sylvanas as the leader of the horde. This will be used as a method of pitting the alliance vs horde again to make it easier for the legion to take over azeroth...

[Evangeliste]

Who says it happened immediately?

Jaina was in 5.4 as well. She opened the portal to Orgrimmar and fought at the Harbour with us. The expansion has enough room to do little things, they even put lore from books outside the game franchise like the Blood Brother of Vol'jin at Vol'jin's funeral for Legion.
They are going to miss an entire expansion for an Old God to working on Jaina's mind when Theramore bombings was a pre-cursor to Mists of Pandaria? Seems unlikely. And stupid, especially when Sha and Y'shaarj was all about feelings and mind games.

[Leih]

Jaina was in 5.4 as well. She opened the portal to Orgrimmar and fought at the Harbour with us. The expansion has enough room to do little things, they even put lore from books outside the game franchise like the Blood Brother of Vol'jin at Vol'jin's funeral for Legion.
They are going to miss an entire expansion for an Old God to working on Jaina's mind when Theramore bombings was a pre-cursor to Mists of Pandaria? Seems unlikely. And stupid, especially when Sha and Y'shaarj was all about feelings and mind games.

It's Blizzard. Who's to say they didn't change their mind about what they want to do with Jaina after Mists was already over?

It's not like they didn't change their mind on what they wanna do with Garrosh about 3 different times because of player reaction.

[Filipse]

I mean.... she's allready deserted us in the War against the Legion?...

[JudgePayne]

From everything I can see this information and the quotes point directly to Sylvanas

[Evangeliste]

It's Blizzard. Who's to say they didn't change their mind about what they want to do with Jaina after Mists was already over?

It's not like they didn't change their mind on what they wanna do with Garrosh about 3 different times because of player reaction.

Yes it is Blizzard, and from years upon years of track record they've always been secretly and submissively adding things for the next chapter of the story, sometimes even bigger and obvious ones like Timeless Isle for Warlords of Draenor. You even have Chen's Lost Keg in vanilla Ratchet from an Orc which is about... Chen Stormstout, just 1 quest.

Jaina turning evil thanks to an Old God isn't going to be taken lightly and you had that kind of thing happen with Deathwing, prior to that, you had parts of Black Dragonflight being crooked and messed up for a while till Deathwing was individually cited in the MMORPG but the RTS will have difference with the whole Dragon Soul and Neltharion. Something like this isn't a major ploy that Blizzard would outwardly not avoid or change drastically especially when storylines are planned years in advance and all cross section each other, you'd get a calamity like Titan.

They need to keep to a course otherwise without a solid script, they can't do voice recordings and the rest of the game like models, coding, animation and such follow through. With PTR and Beta along with marketing and PR to get to the release date and even release. See how it ripples outwards from one concept to the end result? The universe is too big just to drop in and out lore stories.