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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    for a society capable of doing what it did to the kulaks
    If you had your mortal enemy, one who was robbing and enslaving you for generations, finally in your hands, what would you do? The society has nothing to do here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmoden View Post
    According to this, http://tass.com/politics/954995 Putin has an approval rating of 81.4%

    Putin kills people he doesn't like.

    That's why I don't like Russians.
    And he also eats babies. And he was behind Holocaust. And he canceled Firefly. And you believe this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    And he also eats babies. And he was behind Holocaust. And he canceled Firefly. And you believe this shit.
    The problem is not that I believe it, the problem is that you don't, or, even worse, that you're fine with it.

    Thanks for proving my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Introspection isn't a likely item on the menu for a society capable of doing what it did to the kulaks, while simultaneously blaming the U.S. for everything that happens to them. "Putin only gets away with theft, murder, and corruption because of the west!" What absolute piffle.
    It's easy to blame the West when the West brags about how it tears Russian economy down and isolates it for interfering with its conquest. When fake doping scandals are created just to exclude and humiliate Russian athletes. When Russia is universally demonized and history gets rewritten, when memorials to Soviet soldiers who died fighting nazis in Poland and even their graveyards get demolished. When NATO advances at lamest excuses and Western media is schizophrenically telling how Russia is the imminent threat to the civilization and how Russia will collapse next Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmoden View Post
    The problem is not that I believe it, the problem is that you don't, or, even worse, that you're fine with it.

    Thanks for proving my point.
    Why would I believe tabloid rumors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Actually, that is the only way our liberty WILL endure. If Democrats are ever allowed to have any real power again they will destroy it. Obama did a significant job in his 8 years, but thankfully REAL Americans stepped up and ended it.
    Exactly what do you not have the freedom to do today that you did have before Obama took office?

    OT: I don't have a problem with Russians, just Putin and his cronies that are screwing the rest of the country for their own gain.

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    Here is my main problem with our supposed hatred of Putin and Russia(its more just fearbait that people accept because its part and parcel to also hating Trump imo). Let's say Putin has killed some of his political enemies, I fail to see how those deaths are somehow so much worse than things like drone strikes which wipe out weddings on 'accident' and all sorts of other stuff which is resulting in far more deaths. A death is a death, I'm tired of how we are so selective in terms of which deaths we want to act morally outraged over. The us and other countries place sanctions on Iraq after they invade Kuwait which kill half a million women and children and we are ok with it. Ya, those half a million people really deserved to die because a crazy general seized power in their country and does stuff other countries disagree with. It makes absolutely no sense. Saddam is still seen as a threat so we invade and 15 years later another half million Iraqis are dead. Those deaths just get swept under the rug like they never happened yet Putin gets actively compared to Hitler by our own politicians because he took Crimea and may be linked to some political assassinations. Par for the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    It's easy to blame the West when the West brags about how it tears Russian economy down and isolates it for interfering with its conquest. When fake doping scandals are created just to exclude and humiliate Russian athletes. When Russia is universally demonized and history gets rewritten, when memorials to Soviet soldiers who died fighting nazis in Poland and even their graveyards get demolished. When NATO advances at lamest excuses and Western media is schizophrenically telling how Russia is the imminent threat to the civilization and how Russia will collapse next Thursday.
    "We're so oppressed and victimized!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackhisis View Post
    If you had your mortal enemy, one who was robbing and enslaving you for generations, finally in your hands, what would you do? The society has nothing to do here.
    I don't allow ideology to turn me into a resentful, murderous person. Thanks for proving my point, though; Russia still produces despicable, backward, and degenerate "victims" like it did the 20th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I don't allow ideology to turn me into a resentful, murderous person.
    Peasants didn't have any ideology, only vengeance an desire of self-government. It took considerable efforts from Bolshevists to convince the rural soviets to accept them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    When Russia is universally demonized and history gets rewritten, when memorials to Soviet soldiers who died fighting nazis in Poland and even their graveyards get demolished. - - - Updated - - -

    Your graveyards get demolished because your glorious Red Army spent more time raping and murdering our men, women and children than fighting the Germans, because you slaughtered thousands of our unarmed officers in camps like Katyn (officers you captured when you invaded Poland with your buddy Adolf Hitler), and because your NKWD slaughtered our people for years after WWII ended. My great grandfather lived throu both german and russian occupation, Wermaht had some honor, Red Army raped everything that moved.
    That's why your graveyards get demolished. Because you were never liberators even when you stopped beign friends with Hitler, you were always invaders and occupants.
    Last edited by Almaric; 2017-07-06 at 10:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaric View Post
    Your graveyards get demolished because your glorious Red Army spent more time raping and murdering our men, women and children than fighting the Germans, because you slaughtered thousands of our unarmed officers in camps like Katyn (officers you captured when you invaded Poland with your buddy Adolf Hitler), and because your NKWD slaughtered our people for years after WWII ended. My great grandfather lived throu both german and russian occupation, Wermaht had some honor, Red Army raped everything that moved.
    That's why your graveyards get demolished. Because you were never liberators even when you stopped beign friends with Hitler, you were always invaders and occupants.
    Guess should've left your great grandfather in the oven then, to be properly and honorably burned like the untermensch he was. But why don't you demolish everything else "occupation" left you with? Demolish the remnants of industry, demolish universities, oh and praise Bandera, your new friends in russophobia

    (Infracted) - Please keep it civil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Guess should've left your great grandfather in the oven then, to be properly and honorably burned like the untermensch he was. But why don't you demolish everything else "occupation" left you with? Demolish the remnants of industry, demolish universities, oh and praise Bandera, your new friends in russophobia
    Russophobia? It's only rational to be afraid of savage hordes of rapists and people that want to put others in the oven. Fuck right off stalinist scum. Only a stalinist would call anyone "subhuman", go fuck yourself along with your idols Hitler, Stalin and Putin.
    Last edited by Almaric; 2017-07-07 at 10:41 AM.

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    In all honesty... it's because the Russians failed during the conquest of America. They did nothing and EU influence spread. Now Americans speak English instead of Russian. That's all to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaric View Post
    Russophobia? It's only rational to be afraid of savage hordes of rapists and people that want to put others in the oven. Fuck right off stalinist scum. Only a stalinist would call anyone "subhuman", go fuck yourself along with your idols Hitler, Stalin and Putin.
    How rude and emotional of you. To start off, " savage hordes of rapists" have liberated Europe from nazism, something Europe was unable or unwilling to do on its own. Not to mention the collaborationists.

    Second, it's the "honorable wermacht", as you called it, was literally putting people in ovens. Simply for beinv born Slavs, and I should note that you and me both are guilty of being born of "inferior race".

    You could call me a stalinist, although that eould not be really correct - oddly, western public has invented more idols out of Soviet and Russian leadership that Russia itself. I mean, even the term "putinist", what does it even mean? Back to Stalin - in Soviet union, for your info, nation or race was officially never recognized, as equality is the core idea of communism.

    I would also never call anyone my idol except Arthur Clarke. Hitler was a demented wreck of a human who illustrated how far a democratically elected leader of an enlightened and civilized European nation can go. Stalin, on the other hand, was a titan of a man as under his leadership the country has made an enormous industrial progress and won WW2. And restored itself with no outside help, out of ashes. Putin is doing fine. There's a lot worse rulers in this world, but the fact that he's the worst nightmare of the West and its arch-nemesis means he's fucked up their plans, which is good. Someone had to put an end to the streak of middle-eastern wars and color revolutions.

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    Nothing wrong with Russia, however, there are several things wrong with the government and Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Actually, that is the only way our liberty WILL endure. If Democrats are ever allowed to have any real power again they will destroy it. Obama did a significant job in his 8 years, but thankfully REAL Americans stepped up and ended it.
    Then Europe will not endure! Look at France, or Germany. And America will follow soon enough - you think Trump will stop its descent into tyranny and barbarity for long?
    The shadowy Daughter of Urthona stood before red Orc,
    When fourteen suns had faintly journey'd o'er his dark abode:
    His food she brought in iron baskets, his drink in cups of iron:
    Crown'd with a helmet and dark hair the nameless female stood;

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