Tomb of Sargeras Progression Thread

[WhatIsLegion]

Nice strawman. Nobody says the boss is going to die instantly, you still have to kill a very difficult boss, especially when it's tuned like Avatar. Doesn't mean there is no advantage.

Or are you saying that if guild 1 reaches the last boss first and spends a day coming up with a strat for P1, figuring out exact timers, interactions, making weakauras etc, guild 2 is not helped by the fact they can just copy all of that info from guild 1's stream when they get to the boss a day later?

We may not like it, but if you only care about getting world first, not streaming is always better for that specific goal.

It still comes down to execution. All the things you listed do not take much time for top guilds to figure out at all. In the end it usually comes down to every member executing near perfectly.

Personally to me, Alpha's stream is enough. I probably wouldn't watch Method or Exorsus stream and in a few tiers that won't even matter because at this rate the world first race is done in a few tiers anyway.

It says a lot that the most exciting part of this race for many have been watching Alpha. A two person race isn't exciting.

[irdaq]

Alpha are getting bukkaked hard though...

[Floopa]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PricklyAbrasiveSpiderAMPEnergy

seems like a fun mechanic - healers have to properly time dispel to counteract the singularity knockback LUL

[Shampro]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PricklyAbrasiveSpiderAMPEnergy

seems like a fun mechanic - healers have to properly time dispel to counteract the singularity knockback LUL

Nobody said Mythic raiding was going to be fun.

[Deleted]

Have to agree with earlier poster, watching a WoW stream is finally fun again. Sucks that it took so long for the top guilds to start streaming :/ also, Blizzard should deffo have tried to push this in some way for the average WoW Joe to watch. Honestly kinda fun just watching

[dictainabox]

Holy shit, KJ. Does wf require 1k+ pulls?

[Xandrigity]

Alpha is gonna do it I think

[Adlian]

Its kinda sad how Blizzard made TOS extremely overtuned hoping to keep players busy for a longer amount of time. So many guilds sit on 5/9 and not even attempting the bosses after that, waiting for nerfs.

Blizzard just love pulling the timegating card this expansion.

[Jimson]

so not only do you have to stack classes, now you also have to stack races? 4Head

Now? Did you forget the reason that most of the WF guilds are Horde?

[omeomorfismo]

Its kinda sad how Blizzard made TOS extremely overtuned hoping to keep players busy for a longer amount of time. So many guilds sit on 5/9 and not even attempting the bosses after that, waiting for nerfs.

Blizzard just love pulling the timegating card this expansion.

its blizzard fault if most of the 5/9 guilds arent enough good? after all the shit received for EN?

[methwow]

Its kinda sad how Blizzard made TOS extremely overtuned hoping to keep players busy for a longer amount of time. So many guilds sit on 5/9 and not even attempting the bosses after that, waiting for nerfs.

Blizzard just love pulling the timegating card this expansion.

I like it this way, each to there own

[apelsinjuice]

Its kinda sad how Blizzard made TOS extremely overtuned hoping to keep players busy for a longer amount of time. So many guilds sit on 5/9 and not even attempting the bosses after that, waiting for nerfs.

Blizzard just love pulling the timegating card this expansion.

So in EN everyone cried how easy it was, and now its sad that something actually will take a few weeks to clear

[Jimson]

Its kinda sad how Blizzard made TOS extremely overtuned hoping to keep players busy for a longer amount of time. So many guilds sit on 5/9 and not even attempting the bosses after that, waiting for nerfs.

Blizzard just love pulling the timegating card this expansion.

It's kinda sad that guilds have an expectation of clearing the most difficult content within a few weeks and would rather wait for nerfs than do actual progression.

Bliz has timegated a lot of stuff, but hard raid bosses aren't one of them. The raid bosses should be hard, that's literally why mythic exists.

[Shampro]

These threads summerized:

-Blizzard so bad they overtune it WAaahhh
-Blizzard so bad they undertuned it, this is so dissapointing WAaahhh
-But was the ban justified?!!?! GUYS?!
-NA LUL
-Member the old days?
-'' I heard that ____ from ____''

Brand new meme added to the roster: Mathematically impossible!

[Deleted]

You really think Avatar is a bad design? What?

Avatar is one of the best designed bosses in a long time. Not only is he mechanically challenging, but the DPS and Healing requirements are very tight. Apparently this forum thinks if you design something that's actually challenging you failed.

So how is AVatar challenging since the top guild used the same model...5 mages each ones...4 rogues...and 2/3 sp...and 2/3 hunters...
How is actually chalenging if guild cannot do proper tries because of the class??

So how much challenging would be a normal setup to kill this boss with 2 mages and 2 rogues??? or having 4 more mellee and 4 less range.
Until now the comp for the 3 guilds was 4 max melee ...So the design is amazing ...so every kills requires same comp...

Gonna wait like 2/3 months to see a kill of Avatar with a normal setup..

[Jimson]

These threads summerized:

-Blizzard so bad they overtune it WAaahhh
-Blizzard so bad they undertuned it, this is so dissapointing WAaahhh
-But was the ban justified?!!?! GUYS?!
-NA LUL
-Member the old days?
-'' I heard that ____ from ____''

Brand new meme added to the roster: Mathematically impossible!

How did you leave out Invective? They propelled this thread for like 20 pages while we waited for the race to start, then came back for an encore with the Reddit post.

[Segus1992]

Alpha is gonna do it I think

Third for Avatar with twice as many pulls as the first. Seems logical.

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How did you leave out Invective? They propelled this thread for like 20 pages while we waited for the race to start, then came back for an encore with the Reddit post.

Why does anyone care about Invective? Is it a US guild? Is that why?

[Floopa]

its blizzard fault if most of the 5/9 guilds arent enough good? after all the shit received for EN?

their tuning is pretty bad.

the first 3 bosses are easier than NH mythic bosses. sisters of the moon is easier than krosus, botanist, spellblade and tichondrius. then you have this fucking brickwall sasszine which is about as hard as the post-nerf star augur. then you have another boss which is easier than krosus, botanist, spellblade and tichondrius... and then you have avatar/KJ which are just really tuned right now for the top 100 players it seems

i'd say 8/9 and 9/9 being tuned that hard is fine, what isn't fine is 6/9 (mistress) being as hard as she is, given the difficulty of bosses prior and the difficulty of the boss directly after her.

[zox2]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PricklyAbrasiveSpiderAMPEnergy

seems like a fun mechanic - healers have to properly time dispel to counteract the singularity knockback LUL

that means a tank will have to have the armageddon debuff on for the mid singularity? that sounds pretty insane

[CloudedInSanity]

So how is AVatar challenging since the top guild used the same model...5 mages each ones...4 rogues...and 2/3 sp...and 2/3 hunters...
How is actually chalenging if guild cannot do proper tries because of the class??

So how much challenging would be a normal setup to kill this boss with 2 mages and 2 rogues??? or having 4 more mellee and 4 less range.
Until now the comp for the 3 guilds was 4 max melee ...So the design is amazing ...so every kills requires same comp...

Gonna wait like 2/3 months to see a kill of Avatar with a normal setup..

You must be new here. This is literally no different then any other tier.

The world first guilds always class stack because they kill the bosses with a lower ilvl then the rest of the population will, so they will bring in the classes that are best optimized for that specific fight.