I love the idea of passing the Costs on to the consumers so these poor, struggling isps can make more money.
I love the idea of passing the Costs on to the consumers so these poor, struggling isps can make more money.
I cant believe this is an actual question... a joke question or even a consideration. If youre dumb enough to ask this or consider... then... god help you. if god exists... or you believe that something or someone or some higher power will save thee from thou stupidity.
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I wish they tripled people's water and electricity bills whenever they said shit like this.
Like, just pay, you're not entitled to clean water.
The person leading the charge for this, Ajit Pai, is a former Verizon attorney who is lobbying for this under the guise of it being beneficial for both the consumer and small businesses along with rights the wrong of isp giants losing money. The amount of horseshit this is cannot be stated in one page as it absolutely murders growth for small businesses who make use the internet and solely benefits isp giants in creating monopolies.
Lobbying for special interests is a stain on our governing process but hey like you said, it allows those poor poor isp companies to make more billions on top of the surplus they are already making.
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Does net neutrality mean I'm unable to pay more money for an improved service? Sure my high speed internet for $100 a month is nice, but say I wanted to pay $200 a month for blazing fast speeds and uploading time. Would I be for or against net neutrality?
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but i don't pay different price for electricity I use for cooking, vs making posts on the internet. right now, my electric use is charge for equally regardless of what I use it for. more over, its not blocked or reduce if I'm using it for something like... powering my garage lights, or charging a phone. electric company doesn't get to decide what I use my electricity for, or how. they certainly don't charge me extra to power my water delivery from the well we have, to compensate for not paying for municipal water (which we are not using and have no acess to anyways)
you would be VERY FOR net neutrality, becasue imagine paying $100 extra to have overall higher speeds and still being throttled or denied acess to specific websites, unless you and/or website owners pay extra to your provider, just so that you could have the speed you originally paid for. net neutrality doesn't stop you from paying for better service. it stops your internet provider from denying you parts of that aforementioned better service.
It's entirely possible, yes. It would allow ISP's to (again, in theory, because the entire point of removing neutrality is that everything is up for grabs):
You're looking at it the wrong way, though. It's not a case of "they slow you down, so you pay more for speed". It's a case of charging you more for specific things, being able to block you entirely unless either you, or the service you want, pays more, or simply slowing speed to certain things without you being able to do anything at all.
The biggest problem is that the end user is the group that has LEAST control over speed, price, and service.
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No, in short it means that isp cannot treat Internet traffic differently depending on the site. So for example they cannot prioritise their own streaming service over Netflix. But if net neutrality ended they would be able to.
That's my understanding anyway, someone correct me if I'm wrong
Quick correction there. Blizzard wouldn't be paying the ISPs for better service, they would be paying them not to get worse service. It's racketeering.
Blizz: Why do I have to pay you more all of a sudden?
ISP: That's our new "you get to keep your legs" fee, pay up or else.
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
I think net neutrality at the ISP level is quite unnecessary. The problem that you're having is that you're not treating the wires as a commodity - instead you consider the service a commodity.
This is actually a really grave mistake, because it means that companies control the wires, and as a consumer you have to prove that they're throttling you in order to make them stop.
Frequently, despite the net neutrality laws, we've seen US ISP's throttle connections in spite of the law, but it's really hard to prove. And when you do, you can't really change it. I mean you can sue them and fight their army of lawyers, but you can't choose a different ISP. The ISP continues to control the wires to your house, and therefore they continue to have a monopoly in your area, and as a result you continue having problems.
In Denmark we have a solution to this called Ledningsejerregistret (LER). This is a public registry of all the wires. You can view them all, you can set up a service that sends you e-mail when someone wants to dig in an area you're interested in as a company, and you also request access to dig in the ground from the municipality here. Then, the wires themselves are a utility, like roads. So you can build them because you want to sell in an area, but you have no control of them afterwards. Anyone can offer service there.
The result is Denmark has 20+ competing services for almost every household unless you're really far out in the countryside. You can pick whomever you want. Often ISP's will work together to maintain the network. In Denmark, it's completely legal to give preferential treatment to some services. For example, Telia offers free unlimited access and downloads from Spotify, YouSee have their own music and video streaming services that don't count against the cap and gives you faster access, etc.
If you don't like that stuff, you can simply pick another ISP that doesn't do it, like FullRate, NVe, CBB, etc.
The result is more consumer choice, so if you don't like the service or price you're getting for a certain service, why you can simply just tell that ISP to go fuck itself and buy somebody else's service.
Now, if these laws propose making the wires AND the service both not utilities, then that's obviously a problem, and against that I completely support this movement. However, there are better alternatives than net neutrality as you currently define it.
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See, I get what you're saying but there's something I can't wrap my head around.
Internet is an abstract, non-material thing. I say that loosely, like it requires electricity to power packets and the ISPs have their modems and shit...
Okay, I can't really word this right without coming off as an idiot. So I'll just put it bluntly: who decides how much "An Internet" is worth in money when it's not a consumable resource like a potato or plank of wood.
That sounds very dumb.
What exactly does my $100 pay for in upkeep? Is it really just paying $100 for a privilege?
This is pretty much what is possible, except there are two things to note.
1) 49.99 for 100mb/s is laughably low. The first thing they'll do is bump up prices. 80/mo for 50mb as their 'budget' plan, and 130/mo for 100mb.
2) It will also strangle any other ISP, so any of those 'pay per data' or DSL or other companies will simply disappear, locking you into above service with no option.
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