Where's Thrall?

[Cosmic Janitor]

I don't understand where this idea came from that the elements are punishing Thrall for "cheating." I really don't understand why it's persisting, either, when the shaman class hall explicitly tells you that it's due to Thrall's self-doubt about his execution of Garrosh being about vengeance rather than justice.

While that is more plausible, it's still cliche as hell, especially because they never wrote garrosh and thrall to be this close in the first place. Garrosh becoming all whiney near the end was also laughable and at the time he had the right words for him. Burdening him down with doubt afterwards was mostly a cop out because metzen left and people were sick and tired of green jeses (which started in cataclysm).

99% he is perfecting his powers and he will become the new Khadgar for the new expansion.
He´ll be asking his hammer back.

That would be even worse story telling.. it's litterally stated that he has no use for the hammer anymore. Even in the books he cast it aside together with his armor.

[MabusGaming]

He becomes a dragon aspect next expansion.

[Cosmic Janitor]

He becomes a dragon aspect next expansion.

Well I hear the spot for the green one is open again (besides the aspect concept being dead atm).

[Nathreim]

Horde doesn't get story this expansion since blizz cant figure out how to do more than one story at a time properly.

[Shelly]

While that is more plausible, it's still cliche as hell, especially because they never wrote garrosh and thrall to be this close in the first place. Garrosh becoming all whiney near the end was also laughable and at the time he had the right words for him. Burdening him down with doubt afterwards was mostly a cop out because metzen left and people were sick and tired of green jeses (which started in cataclysm).


That would be even worse story telling.. it's litterally stated that he has no use for the hammer anymore. Even in the books he cast it aside together with his armor.

That's funny because I remember lots of story-bits where Thrall keeps explaining his actions in promoting Garry into leadership positions that Garry is frankly unprepared for.

Mostly it's out of guilt over Grom and Thrall's desire to see the best virtues of Grom and the Horde in Grom's son.

But Garry was really just another Grom, hell, even worse than Grom. He had a chip on his shoulder from day one and it's interesting to look at say the events involving the mana-bomb used on the druids through the lens of MoP and the bombing of Theramore. Grom was always a rough and ready expansionist and his killing of the general who triggered the bomb - first thought to be honorable punishment of a murderer for sullying the name and honor of the Horde - is actually a delaying action meant to placate the Cenarian Circle long enough to finish his bomb and attempt to push the Alliance completely out of Eastern Kalimdor and who knows where else.

Thrall hasn't been abandoned by the elements. He's just going through another Cataclysm puberty where he's abandoned his own powers and abilities to listen to the elements and command them.

Remember, a shaman isn't a druid. They aren't a force for balance teaming together with their little elemental friends. Ideally the relationship is one of mutual respect but at the end of the day a shaman takes their power because it is their birthright. Thrall has given up his birthright and if anything the elements have no need for such weakness.

[Jester Joe]

Thrall hasn't been abandoned by the elements. He's just going through another Cataclysm puberty where he's abandoned his own powers and abilities to listen to the elements and command them.

Remember, a shaman isn't a druid. They aren't a force for balance teaming together with their little elemental friends. Ideally the relationship is one of mutual respect but at the end of the day a shaman takes their power because it is their birthright. Thrall has given up his birthright and if anything the elements have no need for such weakness.

Except...Thrall specifically said the elements aren't listening to him anymore, and Doomhammer felt like a burden in his hand.

He's being rejected by them, did you do the enhancement shaman questline?

Here, found a video-
https://youtu.be/iPJqGa5C95A?t=8m10s

read the quest info specifically, and pause the video.

[Frumpy Frumpy Frak]

Calling it now, Thrall masters the 5th element and becomes the vessel of Azeroth.

He's being crucified for being Green Jesus. Don't worry, on the third expansion he'll be back.

I get so triggered when Thrall gets called green Jesus.

He's clearly green Moses and Grom is green Jesus.

[Shelly]

Except...Thrall specifically said the elements aren't listening to him anymore, and Doomhammer felt like a burden in his hand.

He's being rejected by them, did you do the enhancement shaman questline?

Here, found a video-
https://youtu.be/iPJqGa5C95A?t=8m10s

read the quest info specifically, and pause the video.

I did, I just don't really jive with that and his story still isn't finished being written.

As such I think they'll resolve it with Thrall being a ninny that's cock-blocking himself rather than the elements doing a wholesale rejection of him for something they really don't give a shit about.

Because they don't.

At all.

If you haven't noticed the elements are all just various piles of greedy Id that only care about their own realms and competition with each other.

[Jester Joe]

I did, I just don't really jive with that and his story still isn't finished being written.

As such I think they'll resolve it with Thrall being a ninny that's cock-blocking himself rather than the elements doing a wholesale rejection of him for something they really don't give a shit about.

Because they don't.

At all.

If you haven't noticed the elements are all just various piles of greedy Id that only care about their own realms and competition with each other.

But clearly they do care, since he flat out said they do.

He broke the rules of a sacred ritual, which is something the elements seem to care a lot about is tradition.

[Shelly]

But clearly they do care, since he flat out said they do.

He broke the rules of a sacred ritual, which is something the elements seem to care a lot about is tradition.

Just because he's saying that they are rejecting him doesn't mean they are.

Switch around your thinking to it being like a romantic comedy, it's the middle of the 2nd act, there's been a mixup. He thinks that the elements hate him because of said mixup and has shut himself off to them, all that's needed is a friend (probably his Thrall's wife again) to show up and point out how stupid he's being and go chase those elements to the airport before they get on that plane to Paris and he never sees them again!

Just because a character says something doesn't mean that's how it's actually going down.

[kail]

Training Medan.

[Dacu]

Because when we come back from Argus, he's gonna be there all like "yo guys.....i was out sailing trying to find myself.....and.....naga"

[Logwyn]

Its a little bit north of Austin.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Th...!4d-97.2969402



Or you mean the Orc? He's trying to get the faction "Best Buddies" off the ground,.

[TS26]

alliance got bored of a horde character having the spotlight so we're stuck with khadgar for 2+ expansions.

[shadowmatrix]

Worst bullshit explanation ever given for anything.

Especially after giving the bogus explanation on Draenor that the elements there are indeed different from the ones on Azeroth. He could have taken an arrow to the knee and it would have been better story telling..

Actually that was Thrall saying that so it isn't pure canon.

My personal theory is that thrall is punishing himself over killing Garrosh. he has lost his confidence and isn't listening to the elements. Neither set of elements care about Garrosh or any honor duels. Proof of that can be seen in the earth elementals. Despite the Earth Mother hating us shamans still used the power of the earth so that shows they won't just cut off the connection on a whim.

[Volardelis]

Mary Sue is taking a well deserved time out to give us a chance to be the heroes for a change.

omg, someone who is a powerful shaman, so he can be the acting aspect of earth while fighting deathwing, and a mortal (so he is immune from the negative affects of using the dragon soul) killed Deathwing through elements already established in the story line. He MUST be a mary sue

/sarcasm

[Jester Joe]

Just because he's saying that they are rejecting him doesn't mean they are.

Switch around your thinking to it being like a romantic comedy, it's the middle of the 2nd act, there's been a mixup. He thinks that the elements hate him because of said mixup and has shut himself off to them, all that's needed is a friend (probably his Thrall's wife again) to show up and point out how stupid he's being and go chase those elements to the airport before they get on that plane to Paris and he never sees them again!

Just because a character says something doesn't mean that's how it's actually going down.

You're talking about someone who was considered the strongest shaman.

Do you really think he won't be able to tell if it's his own guilt, or the elements?
I'm sure he could force the elements to listen if he wanted, but that's not how Thrall works (That's Dark Shamanism after all).

Actually that was Thrall saying that so it isn't pure canon.

My personal theory is that thrall is punishing himself over killing Garrosh. he has lost his confidence and isn't listening to the elements. Neither set of elements care about Garrosh or any honor duels. Proof of that can be seen in the earth elementals. Despite the Earth Mother hating us shamans still used the power of the earth so that shows they won't just cut off the connection on a whim.

It is canon though. Not being canon would be like "Some forum poster said that's the reason". It came from the game itself, therefore it's canon, whether or not Thrall is right (Which, you know, extremely powerful shaman, he should be able to tell the difference).

Also, Therazane hates mortals yes. That doesn't mean she dictates what all the elementals under her do though, and after the events of Deepholm, she's admitted to not hating AS much. Especially after the shaman class hall, she's okay with shamans.

[Evaddon]

He's barely been really relevant in the scheme of things since maybe Mist. He isn't a Mary sue.

How the hell did you just skip all of Warlords? He isn't a Mary Sue, that's true...but he always had a hand in the cookie jar

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Despite what Chris Metzen said, he will probably never return after his next appearance.

[Evaddon]

He's taking a nap, he's old man...leave him alone