Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Kazlofski]

Here's a huge list of potential subraces (defaults in italics) based on currently existing, visually distinct, humanoid creatures, whether or not they're currently friendly.

Human: Human
Dwarf: Ironforge, Wildhammer, Dark Iron, Earthen, Frostborn, Iron Dwarf
Night Elf: Night Elf, High Elf, Nightborne, Nightfallen, Withered, Felborne, Satyr
Gnome: Gnome, Mechagnome, Leper Gnome, Sand Gnome
Draenei: Draenei, Army of the Light, Man'ari, Broken, Lost One
Worgen: Gilnean, Cursed Night Elf

Pandaren: Pandaren

Orc: Orc, Mag'har, Blackrock, Shattered Hand, Fel Orc, Mok'Nathal
Undead: Lordaeron Human, Undead High Elf
Tauren: Tauren, Highmountain, Taunka, Yaungol
Troll: Jungle, Forest, Ice, Dark, Sand, Zandalari
Blood Elf: Blood Elf, Wretched, Felblood Elf, Darkfallen
Goblin: Goblin, Gilgoblin, Hobgoblin

I tried to keep this list to the most directly related to each race and most of them come off of the parent race (which is also part of the reason why I put the nightborne with night elves rather than blood elves for now). I'm sure I still missed some things. As it is, I left off the ones I mentioned earlier as being related but often asked for as distinct races. I'll do those below.

Vrykul (Origin of humans): Vrykul, Iron Vrykul, Frost Vrykul, Kvaldir
Ogre (Origin of orcs): Ogre, Two-Headed, Ogre Lord, Mok'Nathal
Naga (Originated from night elves): Naga, Naga Lord

Depending on how such a system is handled, you could make logical extrapolations for some races, and not necessarily need them for others. Mag'har orcs, for example, are just a different skin color choice. If some (or all) subraces just have alternate customization, then you could do a ton for each orc clan and even separate the human kingdoms that way (perhaps even creating a non-cursed Gilnean). I didn't mention highborne here despite it being a popular choice because there is no confirmed visual difference between them and the base night elves, but if subraces were handled on that level, they could easily have a different set of choices, like gaudy jewelry or something.

You know, give me Eredar Draenei (Manari is it?), the red ones basically, let him be able to be a warlock and I might actually start playing alliance and have a Draenei Warlock :P

[Fahrad Wagner]

Just gonna toss this in here, I can't post links yet but you can easily wowhead all this. I was looking at Flotsam's loot table and 5 things on it stood out stood out, hadn't seen it brought up in the previous 84 pages. Blackwater Raider's Handguards, Kezan Pirate's Mitts, Faded Bloodsail Handwraps, Ragged Azsharan Sail Fragment (and this one I'm not 100 percent sure on but) the Salt-Stained Tuskarr Gloves.

Plus there's the matter of the name of the World Quest associated with Flotsam, "A Dark Tide."
All this with those Kul'Tiras quest boots posted a bunch of pages back paint a fairly convincing picture of a seafaring expansion.

I noticed the Kezan Pirate's Mitts a few pages back, didn't think of checking the full loot table though, nice find!

[In Ogres We Trust]

WOTLK: Death Knights
Cata: Goblins and Worgen
MOP: Panderans and Monks

The only exception was the blight that is WOD.

I don't see that as a formula to go by as it's merely a byproduct of the setting for each expansion.

[Saverem]

What the fuck are you even talking about dude? You high on PCP or something? I understand its WoW...lol

Exactly. It's WoW, not Under Atlantis, the 1997 SNES game that has you exploring under water ruins of Atlantis.

[Recom]

The "no new class (or even race for that matter) because we just got one" is besides the point imo.

There's more people working on wow than there's ever been and they need to keep the game fresh so they can just do whatever they feel like doing.

It could be done differently like 4th spec (even though I don't believe it) or expand the artefact system to further differentiate classes and specs.

My point are: we don't know what we don't know and try to keep an open mind.


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[Kazlofski]

Exactly. It's WoW, not Under Atlantis, the 1997 SNES game that has you exploring under water ruins of Atlantis.

Exactly! It's WoW! In WoW's lore, Azshara and the naga were Night elves that turned into nagas! Nagas main "home" is Nazjatar! Nagas biggest advantage is fighting underwater, it's their natural habitat! Makes perfect sense for their main base to be underwater and us having to go there to deal with them and stop Azshara!

[Kagdar]

Considering absolutly no expansion unlocked the same stuff and the same time it's kinda hard to predict what they will do for the next expact.

BC removed the faction specific classes and 2 new races.
WOTLK 1 class
Cata 2 races
MOP 1 class 1 race
WOD unlucked class for more races
Legion 1 class

There is NO patern here, each expac unlocked something different.

[Saverem]

Exactly! It's WoW! In WoW's lore, Azshara and the naga were Night elves that turned into nagas! Nagas main "home" is Nazjatar! Nagas biggest advantage is fighting underwater, it's their natural habitat! Makes perfect sense for their main base to be underwater and us having to go there to deal with them and stop Azshara!

Exactly! So we'll have to take away that advantage from them by taking them to land! It's the only way we can defeat them.

[DelusionalBear]

Exactly! So we'll have to take away that advantage from them by taking them to land! It's the only way we can defeat them.

dude, just because you didn't liked that one game, doesn't mean that the rest of us can't have underwater gameplay. instead of moaning about it, embrace it, get out of your comfort zone, learn to enjoy something new!

[Shakou]

Exactly! So we'll have to take away that advantage from them by taking them to land! It's the only way we can defeat them.

Let's be clear: you are part of a minority of people who didn't like Vash'jr and most of those players were complete idiots, the fact of the matter is that the game was almost universally praised for what it did there on release. The zone had no issues at all whatsoever gameplay wise, just a bunch of whiny dumbasses that couldn't figure out they could still do combat mostly like normal if they stuck to the ground.

If you did not like this zone you are the odd man out. Frankly no one cares what you think, least of all Blizzard who will make this game how they want to anyways.

[TheReptorGekko]

A long time ago, someone claimed to have seen all of the future expansions scribbled down on a napkin from someone at Blizzard. That list was as follows:


Draenor Set
Azuremyst Isle - 1 to 10
Bloodmyrk Isle - 10 to 20

Eversong Forest - 1 to 10
Quel'thalas - 10 to 20
Hellfire Peninsula - 58 to 62
Zangarmarsh - 60 to 64
Terokkar Forest - 61 to 65
The Deadlands - 63 to 67
Nagrand - 64 to 68
Blade's Edge Mountains - 66 to 70
Netherstorm - 67 to 70
Shadowmoon Valley - 69 to 70

- Northrend Set

Borean Tundra - 67 to 70
Howling Fjord - 67 to 70
Dragonblight - 69 to 72
Grizzly Hills - 70 to 73
Crystalsong Forest - 72 to 75
Zul'drak - 73 to 76
Sholazar Basin - 75 to 79
Storm Peaks - 76 to 80
Icecrown Glacier - 78 to 80

- Maelstrom Set

Gilneas - 77 to 80
Grim Batol - 78 to 81
Kul Tiras - 79 to 82
Kezan - 81 to 86
Tel Abim - 83 to 85
Zandalar - 84 to 87
Plunder Isle - 86 to 88
The Broken Isles - 87 to 90
The Maelstrom - 89 to 90

- Plane Set

Pandaria - 1 to 10
Hiji - 10 to 20

Wolfenhold - 1 to 10
Xorothian Plains - 10 to 20

The Green Lands - 88 to 91
The Dying Paradise - 91 to 94
The Emerald Nightmare - 94 to 97
The Eye of Ysera - 97 to 100

Deephome - 88 to 91
Skywall - 91 to 94
The Abyssal Maw - 94 to 97
The Firelands - 97 to 100

- Legion Set

K'aresh - 96 to 99
Argus Meadowlands - 97 to 100
Mac'Aree - 99 to 100
Maw of Oblivion - 100+
The Burning Citadel - 100+++

....

Ahhhhh TheList I guess it was bound to pop up soon or late now before this possibly explode it a fake the creator aimed it him self
http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html...38816&h=50&p=3
see post #145

[Saverem]

Let's be clear: you are part of a minority of people who didn't like Vash'jr and most of those players were complete idiots, the fact of the matter is that the game was almost universally praised for what it did there on release. The zone had no issues at all whatsoever gameplay wise, just a bunch of whiny dumbasses that couldn't figure out they could still do combat mostly like normal if they stuck to the ground.

If you did not like this zone you are the odd man out. Frankly no one cares what you think, least of all Blizzard who will make this game how they want to anyways.

"If you don't like something I like, you have a low IQ and are dumb"

OK dude. Also, like 3 people enjoyed that zone and 2 of them were the devs that designed it.

[Kagdar]

I think most melee players liked the zones and all the range players hated it.

As an Enh shamy i had absolutely no problem killing stuff in this zone. But i can see how range players would suffer a lot.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

"If you don't like something I like, you have a low IQ and are dumb"

OK dude. Also, like 3 people enjoyed that zone and 2 of them were the devs that designed it.

That's not a good argument. There's plenty of people who enjoyed it.

[Nerovar]

With 8.0 they'll probably remove PvP from the game.

[Saverem]

That's not a good argument. There's plenty of people who enjoyed it.

The point is, it wasn't popular. So much so that they never even went back to something like that again because of all the negative responses to it. It was the first and last under water zone.

[In Ogres We Trust]

The point is, it wasn't popular. So much so that they never even went back to something like that again because of all the negative responses to it. It was the first and last under water zone.

To be frank, it should have never made it into the game. Why? Well, it's taking up the spot that belongs to Kul Tiras!

[Shakou]

"If you don't like something I like, you have a low IQ and are dumb"

OK dude. Also, like 3 people enjoyed that zone and 2 of them were the devs that designed it.

I didn't say anything like this, I said your opinion about Vash'jr is not a popular one. You're just insisting that it was and it just wasn't. You're unfortunately stuck with the false assumption that a vocal minority on the internet means something was just universally hated, and that's far from the truth. People in my experience were more disappointed because the story of that zone was never completed, complaints about the zone mainly came from poorly geared (and skilled) melee that had issues killing things there and navigating. As a full heroic ICC geared fury warrior there was no issue there, and being stuck in combat sometimes wasn't even a limiting factor because there were plenty of very easy to kill mobs to charge/heroic leap to and so on.

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I think most melee players liked the zones and all the range players hated it.

As an Enh shamy i had absolutely no problem killing stuff in this zone. But i can see how range players would suffer a lot.

Hahahaha no, just the opposite. Like some really bad DK's complaining because they had "issues" dropping their death and decay. The issue being that they were dumb and not trying to put it on the sea floor where it would have worked just fine.

[Saverem]

I didn't say anything like this, I said your opinion about Vash'jr is not a popular one. You're just insisting that it was and it just wasn't.

I'm not going to take the time to scour google for it, but Blizzard themselves (in a Blizzcon panel or twitter) confirmed that it wasn't well received. I'm not pulling the information out of my ass like you are. They admitted that it didn't work out the way they hoped. The 3D battling there just wasn't good if you were a melee.

If you enjoyed it, you were probably a ranged.

[Eazy]

Azshara + N'Zoth

then

Void Lords with Illidan once again